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STILETT0

STILETT0

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"I hope you do know what you're talking about Bsat. I have done research on it. There are plenty of graphs that show you the warming of the earth."
i really haven't found any reason to believe the earth is warming. btw, how far back did those graphs u looked at go? a few decades? or a few hundred years?

edit: if u focus hard enough when studying those graphs that go back for quite a few hundred years, you'll see a pattern.

02-Sep-2011 20:15:59 - Last edited on 02-Sep-2011 20:16:58 by STILETT0

Abbem 20

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Indeed there is a pattern when you look at graphs going back thousands of years, but if you look closer, you'll notice that our current warm period is warmer than previous ones, like the medieval warm period and you'll also see that it's coming a bit early.ears
Although by cherry-picking years carefully, you can make it appear like the warming has stopped, but you need to use the full picture.

If you look at the most common 150-year grahps, used by many climate researchers, you'll see there is a clear warming over that period.

03-Sep-2011 11:28:17

STILETT0

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"you'll notice that our current warm period is warmer than previous ones, like the medieval warm period and you'll also see that it's coming a bit early.ears"

then why bust blood vessels in our brains over it? history repeats itself. no matter what human effort does, there's still gonna be warm periods. let nature take its course and everything will eventually work itself out.

i think that some of this "warming" period is out of human hands too. esp. if the sun's sending out large solar flares.

03-Sep-2011 14:52:47

Markiv13

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"There are independent scientists that do deny anthropogenic global warming. Recently I read a paper that claimed 96% of all CO2 is naturally, emitted by the oceans. Most anthropogenic CO2 is absorped locally, not spread into the atmosphere. "

You can find independent scientists that will claim anything, there's bound to be some scientists that will deny anthropogenic global warming. The point is that the overwhelming majority accept it.

About that statistic, if you could point me to the source that would be nice. But I don't think you understand what dynamical systems are, if you believe that's enough to refute anthropogenic global warming.

03-Sep-2011 21:09:10 - Last edited on 03-Sep-2011 21:10:45 by Markiv13

Abbem 20

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^ I wasn't refuting anthropogenic climate change. I just pointed to someone who did.
It was a paper written by Prof. Murry Salby, quite recent and has not been peer-reviewed yet, which is exactly the problem.



"history repeats itself"

No historian will actually make such a claim. It seems to be illustrative for your point of view. You haven't actually studied the matter on climate change.
Solar activity can contribute to warming, but can also mask it when there appears to be no anthropogenic warming. 2009 was one of the colder years in the last 15 years, and apparently solar activity was also at a minimum in 2009. So if solar activity decreases, but the temperature remains stable, that means that there is likely another factor that causes warming.

05-Sep-2011 10:33:56 - Last edited on 05-Sep-2011 10:37:29 by Abbem 20

STILETT0

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"No historian will actually make such a claim"
i suggest u look at that statement i made from a different point of view. history does not physically, literally take the same exact course over and over again.

"2009 was one of the colder years in the last 15 years, and apparently solar activity was also at a minimum in 2009. So if solar activity decreases, but the temperature remains stable, that means that there is likely another factor that causes warming."

1. hasty generalization
2. huh? so the decrease in solar activity shows a below-average 2009, i get that. but jumping to say that a decrease in solar activity and a stable temperature means that something's fiddling with the atmosphere?

maybe this will help clarify somewhat:
since water is more dense than air, it takes longer for water to heat up and cool down than it takes air. based on what i just read from your post, i'm thinking you're saying that if, in the evening when the temperature begins to cool, the water is still about the same temperature as in teh afternoon, then something's wrong w/ the water, right?

05-Sep-2011 23:22:54 - Last edited on 05-Sep-2011 23:30:45 by STILETT0

Abbem 20

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"No historian will actually make such a claim"
i suggest u look at that statement i made from a different point of view. history does not physically, literally take the same exact course over and over again.

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I picked that statement because it's illustrative for your point of view.
One might say that history repeats itself. While this sounds nice, it means nothing without arguments. You need to supply proper arguments if you want to claim something.

You should also know the difference between likely and certain. What I'm telling you about a decreasing in solar activity masking a warming trend is definitely not certain. It is likely.

08-Sep-2011 00:30:49 - Last edited on 08-Sep-2011 00:32:59 by Abbem 20

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08-Sep-2011 00:37:02

Abbem 20

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^ Keep telling that yourself friend.
Everyone loves to hear that there is no need to worry as everything can simply stay the same.
You can shut your eyes so you won't see the wall that you're about to collide with, you can shut your ears so that you won't hear the people warning you for the upcoming collision, but that will not prevent the collision from happening.



Something is not automatically a lie when a politician can raise a tax on it.

12-Sep-2011 00:52:52 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2011 00:53:07 by Abbem 20

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