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Tuffty
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OK lets settle down.

The HIGH numbers of predicted deaths was before anyone went into lock down or started to take precautions. Hence the high numbers said by many many Countries.

Now many Countries have learned from this and are still taking precautions IE Masks, Wash hands often and Social Distancing. Without that and other things rest of the World is doing there would be a lot more deaths then there are now.

Predictions are just that Predictions. Meaning guessing on the outcome if nothing was done. Things have been done and the death rate is lower then predicted.

So lets all get on the same page and do what WE are told by our respective leaders to stay safe and keep others safe.

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06-Oct-2020 16:04:44

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FiFi LaFeles said :

So - your experts are predicting it'll take 14 years before employment returns to 'normal' then? With a bit of luck they'll be just as wrong as the experts who predicted 100,000 deaths in your State - so you've actually got nothing to worry about, have you :)
Hahahaha, how'd you get so funny?

Did you go to funny school for that?

Sooooo funny.

" In 2017 there were 1,255 deaths due to influenza, recording a standardised death rate of 3.9 per 100,000 persons. This is a significant increase from 2016 where 464 influenza deaths were recorded.Sep 24, 2019 "

deaths due to influenza, 2017 - Australian Bureau of Statistics "

895 deaths from Covid.

Is 1,255 a bigger or smaller number than 895?

Even if you can't get it right, you're still funny. Another renegade Rat-Lord from the Master pond of scum.

06-Oct-2020 16:14:33 - Last edited on 06-Oct-2020 16:14:52 by Inspire you

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Can I just point out that the current death rate has no doubt been drastically reduced because of the measures countries have taken. So quoting what the Covid death rate has been in a particular area that had strict controls in some form or another for a duration of time and then comparing that to the flu in a non-restricted environment isn't quite reliable is it?

Fact is, we have a means of controlling the flu somewhat because it's more known, its not an entirely new thing and we have vaccinations annually for it. Covid, we're not there with it yet, hence more caution.
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06-Oct-2020 16:21:24 - Last edited on 06-Oct-2020 16:21:58 by Joel

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FiFi LaFeles said :
Inspire you said :
Tenebri said :

do you have a link to it.
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6189407494001

You've had 807 Covid deaths since records began, in Victoria:

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers

It would appear facemask wearing in Victoria was only taken seriously since August, when your infection rates were soaring:

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/victorian-coronavirus-covid-19-data

As can be seen from the chart - cases dropped rapidly when facemasks became mandatory. Strange, huh?

you mean face masks work????

oh my god shock horror
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06-Oct-2020 16:24:05

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and yes we have 1.04m deaths world wide by covid, thats with this being a pandemic and pretty much a shitdown of normal human activity.
if we acted the same with out taking these precautions imagine what the total death would be. (thats what you need to compare it to when you are looking at flu from 2017, as we were shaking hands back then, we arent allowed to now, with many other restrictions)

but thankfully we dont have thos numbers because the world went into lockdown.
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06-Oct-2020 16:26:50 - Last edited on 06-Oct-2020 16:27:28 by Tenebri

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Joel said :

Fact is, we have a means of controlling the flu somewhat because it's more known, its not an entirely new thing and we have vaccinations annually for it. Covid, we're not there with it yet, hence more caution.
There has been less deaths from Covid than there was with influenza that has a vaccine.

I don't understand what you're attempting to accomplish here. Another renegade Rat-Lord from the Master pond of scum.

06-Oct-2020 16:28:38

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Inspire you said :
There has been less deaths from Covid than there was with influenza that has a vaccine.

I don't understand what you're attempting to accomplish here.

... less deaths as a result of (and I'm sure you'd agree) massive shutdowns and restrictions of people's movements that have impacted people's lives.

You're trying to compare a regular year / flu season when we go about our business normally, to a scenario whereby most people have been at home for most of the year, distanced from others and now wear masks - and then somehow using that as if its a valid argument for saying "See! Less deaths!".

Let's not forget, the transmission of Covid is a lot higher too than influenza so if you're still arguing that we shouldn't have declared a pandemic, entered into widespread shutdowns and instead should have continued as normal with no mask wearing, no social distancing then I'm afraid, you're living in a dream world.
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06-Oct-2020 17:10:27

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Inspire you said :
Joel said :

Fact is, we have a means of controlling the flu somewhat because it's more known, its not an entirely new thing and we have vaccinations annually for it. Covid, we're not there with it yet, hence more caution.
There has been less deaths from Covid than there was with influenza that has a vaccine.

I don't understand what you're attempting to accomplish here.

do you live in a hole and the lockdowns not effected you?

that has what has reduced the death rate by a considerable amount. if we no country went into lockdown imagine how many more deaths there would be. when there are currently 1.04m deaths total. from us social distancing wearing masks, not going to work. quarantining etc.
stuff we do not do for the influenza

how are you struggling to understand this.
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06-Oct-2020 17:21:15

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Tenebri said :
how are you struggling to understand this. Given what is going on in the world, this is an important question that affects us all, regardless of whichever individual is espousing these views.

My first guess would be the Dunning-Kruger effect.
There are a variety of possibilities, but that is the favourite.
Confirmation bias stemming from social media echo-chambers is a close second.
Could just be simple cases of low IQ and the consequent conflation of 'what i heard the grown-ups say' with fact.

I guess, ultimately, it will be left to historians and anthropologists to judge where the source of it lies.

06-Oct-2020 17:41:27 - Last edited on 06-Oct-2020 17:41:56 by Stoat King

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