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Maynne

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Jakey Boy said :
Archaeox said :
If this thread is just going to devolve into the general mockery or criticism of a single country, then it has lost its appeal. Agreed. I don't think anyone would be ignorant enough to deny that it was exactly that from the start of the thread.

The thread is standing in a very delicate balance, it is in the borderline.

Anyone may easily replaced China with another country, and the reaction by some parties will also be negative.

My point-of-view is grounded on the fact that pigs are farm animals, if not used for testing, they will be slaughtered for meat anyway. Why the same people do not complain about lab rats being used for testing for at least a century now? Any slight change of configuration changes people's feelings, what about if dog or a cat is used, or some other domesticated non-farm animals?

11-Nov-2019 00:15:15

FiFi LaFeles

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Because this thread is not about slaughtering animals for eating meat. Because this thread is not about using rats in labs. Or dogs, or cats etc.

If someone wants to talk about eating meat they should make a thread about it. Similarly if someone wants to talk about the rights or wrongs of using rats, cats, whatever in labs for any reason maybe they should make a thread about that as it's a separate topic.

It specifically opened with using pigs as crash test dummies, which is bizarre as there's technology available which makes this practice somewhat redundant. Since then the OP has made it clear that the thread is about news items emanating in China.

Why China? I have no idea. Maybe because it's a big place and a lot of things happening there.

Posts that were tainted with bashing Chinese people have been removed.
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11-Nov-2019 00:26:23

Maynne

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If more humans can be saved due to better testing of a vehicle using farm animals, so be it.

Testing using pigs vs slaughtering pigs falls under the same conclusion, they die on both scenarios, also both in pain.

Again, if we just tweak the configuration: replace them with a sack of live lab rats. Will you feel the same?

Testing using animals is not a China-exclusive thing, it just so happens the OP brought up a story coming from China. I wonder if the story came from other country other than China, if the thread author will also post it in this board.

11-Nov-2019 00:29:18 - Last edited on 11-Nov-2019 00:35:02 by Maynne

FiFi LaFeles

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Except there is no evidence to support that using live pigs in this manner will save more humans versus using the technology available already .... unless you have this evidence?

Using pigs as crash test dummies does not fall at all under the same category as slaughtering animals to eat. There is technology that can be employed to test crash effects, thus using them is redundant. If you want to talk about slaughtering animals for human consumption, you're on the wrong thread.

No, I will not tweak the configuration to suit your narrative - the news post was about pigs, not rats.

No one said that using live animals in testing was a China-only thing nor did the OP imply that. He quoted a news article on an occurrence in China because it seems he wants his thread to be about news articles that come out of China.

I have no idea why that particular country, maybe there's something about it that fascinates him. There's nothing against the Rules about that, presumably, provided he (nor anyone else) starts vilifying the general population of China.
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11-Nov-2019 01:09:24

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Maynne said :
If more humans can be saved due to better testing of a vehicle using farm animals, so be it.

Testing using pigs vs slaughtering pigs falls under the same conclusion, they die on both scenarios, also both in pain.
I'd have to strongly disagree. Like already mentioned countless times, it's 2019, we have advanced tech that can simulate and provide insights into impacts and making vehicles safer and making us safer - we do not need to put animals through any extended period of pain and discomfort, regardless of who is doing it. And if the tech isn't good enough or lacks in someway, we should make it better not put life forms through completely and utterly unnecessary suffering.

Meat consumption and that industry is a whole other topic but as far as this issue is concerned, it's deplorable.
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11-Nov-2019 01:36:21

ToP BaSS

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The use of crash test dummy technology has been established for a very long time. My guess would be the use of pigs is a far cheaper method of testing.
On that other note, many people do protest and campaign at animals usage in Lab Experiments, in fact their usage, much to the credit of those campaigners, has reduced significantly over the years.
Many of the types of manufacturers that formally produced products that were tested on animals are now using the boast that 'No Animals Were Used For Testing Our Product'

I will be happy to see the boast "No Pigs Died During the Manufacture of this Vehicle"

11-Nov-2019 01:53:05

Shiavui

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Maynne said :
If more humans can be saved due to better testing of a vehicle using farm animals, so be it.

Testing using pigs vs slaughtering pigs falls under the same conclusion, they die on both scenarios, also both in pain.

Again, if we just tweak the configuration: replace them with a sack of live lab rats. Will you feel the same?

Testing using animals is not a China-exclusive thing, it just so happens the OP brought up a story coming from China. I wonder if the story came from other country other than China, if the thread author will also post it in this board. Pigs also use less materials in their construction and have future uses upon death.

As for China-bashing. That's the in-thing in the moment in the West, unfortunately. As with all fads, it will pass.

11-Nov-2019 04:13:25

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