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Averia Light

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Nexus Origin said :
Averia Light said :
But you are also taking freedom away when you impose rules about what they should and shouldn't be offended about. You would be taking away the freedom to express themselves in both situations.

#libertariannoob4lyfe The freedom to be offended? I'll support that.

If someone is offended, I have no issues with them expressing themselves and attempting to communicate why they are offended.

No one is taking that right away from them. They have the right to be offended.

However, that doesn't mean that they are correct in the matter, nor does it give them the authority to limit someone else in response to them being offended, especially if the reason that they're offended is based solely on the fact that they are taking things out of context.

I feel like I could mirror this argument back to you all night, tbh.

You have a right to say offensive things, but you don't have a right to be free from consequences of saying these things. That is what you are trying to limit: the consequences of saying offensive things (or taking offensive things off the air, for instance).

I am not saying that I personally think all of your examples are offensive, but there is clearly societal pushback. And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

08-Dec-2018 03:40:58

Averia Light

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Nexus Origin said :
Context matters.

It's one of the rules we have in society so that we can all properly understand each other.

What if society deems otherwise, like they seem to be doing? And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

08-Dec-2018 03:41:57

Averia Light

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Anyway, I have a toddler I have to chase around all day tomorrow while doing the Christmas mingling with the inlaws in Chicago.

Tl;dr argument: I have no strong opinions on this matter. And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

08-Dec-2018 03:45:33

Nexus Origin

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Averia Light said :

I feel like I could mirror this argument back to you all night, tbh.

You have a right to say offensive things, but you don't have a right to be free from consequences of saying these things. That is what you are trying to limit: the consequences of saying offensive things (or taking offensive things off the air, for instance).

I am not saying that I personally think all of your examples are offensive, but there is clearly societal pushback. We're not talking about saying offensive things. I'm not making that claim at all. Not once have I advocated saying offensive things.

We are talking about saying things that are not offensive, by definition and context.

Just because you are offended by something I said, doesn't mean I have said something offensive.

Your offense is not my offense.
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08-Dec-2018 03:48:17 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2018 03:49:15 by Nexus Origin

Nexus Origin

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Averia Light said :
Anyway, I have a toddler I have to chase around all day tomorrow while doing the Christmas mingling with the inlaws in Chicago.

Tl;dr argument: I have no strong opinions on this matter. Have fun! Thanks for the discussion! ^_^
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08-Dec-2018 03:48:41

FiFi LaFeles

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Very interesting discussion.
Doesn't change the fact that, here, the use of a legitimate, non-offensive word used in it's correct form and context, has been censored on purely personal, subjective grounds.
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08-Dec-2018 09:07:32

Averia Light

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Nexus Origin said :
Averia Light said :

I feel like I could mirror this argument back to you all night, tbh.

You have a right to say offensive things, but you don't have a right to be free from consequences of saying these things. That is what you are trying to limit: the consequences of saying offensive things (or taking offensive things off the air, for instance).

I am not saying that I personally think all of your examples are offensive, but there is clearly societal pushback. We're not talking about saying offensive things. I'm not making that claim at all. Not once have I advocated saying offensive things.

We are talking about saying things that are not offensive, by definition and context.

Just because you are offended by something I said, doesn't mean I have said something offensive.

Your offense is not my offense.

Your entire argument centers around being upset that a group of people (those involved with social justice) find things offensive. Then you go on to discuss that there are societal rules that determine what is and isn't offensive even when there is clearly societal pushback on these rules. You may try to dismiss this, but societal pushback (social justice) is what you called cancer.

You may personally believe that it isn't offensive, and a large group of people may agree with you, but a large group of people clearly don't agree with you as well. And, considering that language is dynamic and changes through time, I would think it to be little more than an appeal to authority argument. After all, if the dictionary changes the definition, are you going to suddenly change your mind? And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

08-Dec-2018 10:46:01 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2018 11:09:06 by Averia Light

Averia Light

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FiFi LaFeles said :
Very interesting discussion.
Doesn't change the fact that, here, the use of a legitimate, non-offensive word used in it's correct form and context, has been censored on purely personal, subjective grounds.

The original statement "social justice is cancer" can easily be misinterpreted as trying to compare social justice to cancer. Just take out the word and replace it with another meaning of each definition to see how both would work.

Social justice is a malignant tumor of potentially unlimited growth that expands locally by invasion and systemically by metastasis.

Social justice is something evil or malignant that spreads destructively.

The two meanings both include something bad that spreads (considering claims like 'if we don't say this is insane', the definition including invasion and systematic spread by infecting others fits better), . In this case, it simply looks like something that could easily be misinterpreted, which is exactly what the mod did say and is a valid point. Nexus also has a valid point in using the term correctly. I would side with Nexus, but can absolutely see the point of the mods.

So then that leaves the question mods are faced with. Do you leave a title that can easily be misinterpreted and cause unnecessary strife? Or do you err on the side of caution and change it? And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

08-Dec-2018 11:06:46 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2018 11:11:17 by Averia Light

Averia Light

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Nexus Origin said :
Averia Light said :
Anyway, I have a toddler I have to chase around all day tomorrow while doing the Christmas mingling with the inlaws in Chicago.

Tl;dr argument: I have no strong opinions on this matter. Have fun! Thanks for the discussion! ^_^

Toddler went back to sleep. I did not. I am currently stuck in a fancy hotel room on a comfortable California King, so although it isn't that bad, I still need something to do.

Also thanks for having a civil discussion that did not appear to escalate. Well, it has the potential to now, but I will be too busy anyway. And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

08-Dec-2018 11:30:45 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2018 11:31:35 by Averia Light

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