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Icy Spring

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Nexus Origin said :
as soon as you remove atmospheric density, all of a sudden mass no longer applies?

Did you see density anywhere in the equation for gravitational force I posted above?

Nexus Origin said :

Another thing that confuses me is the moon. The moon is somehow outside of the Earth's gravitational pull, yet, the oceans are somehow within the moon's gravitational pull?

Bruh, Earth's gravitational force is what keeps the moon locked in its orbit, the same applies with the Sun and the solar system.

09-Sep-2017 19:55:35 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2017 20:04:19 by Icy Spring

Nexus Origin

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Icy Spring said :
Nexus Origin said :
as soon as you remove atmospheric density, all of a sudden mass no longer applies?

Did you see density anywhere in the equation for gravitational force I posted above? Nope, but, as demonstrated by the bowling ball / feather experiments, as soon as atmospheric density is removed, the results change.


Icy Spring said :
Nexus Origin said :

Another thing that confuses me is the moon. The moon is somehow outside of the Earth's gravitational pull, yet, the oceans are somehow within the moon's gravitational pull?

Bruh, Earth's gravitational force is what keeps the moon locked in its orbit, the same applies with the Sun and the solar system. The earth's gravitational force is much larger than the moon's, and extends farther out than the moon's gravitational force, no? So how is it that the moon can be close enough to the earth that it's gravitational forces can move the oceans, yet, the earth's gravitational forces (which are much stronger?) are not pulling the moon into the earth? Shouldn't the gravitational force between both of them draw them together? Especially if the moon is close enough to have it's gravitational force affect the oceans?
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09-Sep-2017 20:20:53

Nexus Origin

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Same argument can be used against people who don't believe in God.

They'll believe in gravity because someone hundreds of years ago said it exists, without any proof or understanding about what it is, and how it works. Yet, at the same time, they'll laugh at people who believe in God because someone hundreds of years ago said God exists.

Gravity is some invisible magic force that controls the universe. But if you mention God, they'll laugh at you and the thought of some invisible magic force that controls the universe.

I guess somehow one invisible magic force is different than another invisible magic force.
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09-Sep-2017 20:48:47

Nexus Origin

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And wouldn't patterns be an indication of intelligent design? Someone, or something, must have defined those patterns.

I'm not claiming that God exists, or that anyone's interpretation of God is correct, but, at some point, all the rules for physics and mechanics of the universe must have been defined. So, who, or what, defined all the rules for the universe?

What I do believe is that "gods" did exists, but, they were physical beings with knowledge and technology that the humans at the time did not understand. If I were to fly a helicopter into a region of the world that has been separated from the rest of the earth's population for thousands of years, with all kinds of today's technology, wouldn't it seem like I have the power of a god?

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09-Sep-2017 20:55:16 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2017 20:58:55 by Nexus Origin

Raleirosen

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Ancient Drew said :
See, now that's why there are people who assume religion and the existence of God. People see patterns in the universe and around them, and this pattern is so complex that we barely comprehend it even now. Complex patterns and the inability to grasp them should have nothing to do with belief in that for which there is no evidence. You're treading on god of the gaps territory now.
Nexus Origin said :
I guess somehow one invisible magic force is different than another invisible magic force. Theory of gravity is observable, testable and compatible with every branch of science. God and the supernatural are not. Don't try to equate the two because you're incapable of understanding the former.
Nexus Origin said :
And wouldn't patterns be an indication of intelligent design? Someone, or something, must have defined those patterns.

I'm not claiming that God exists, or that anyone's interpretation of God is correct, but, at some point, all the rules for physics and mechanics of the universe must have been defined. So, who, or what, defined all the rules for the universe? Nope, totally wrong. Patterns and "rules" are not necessarily indicative of a creator. Assuming that the forces that govern the universe must have been defined or created by another being is a total leap and shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

09-Sep-2017 21:08:40 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2017 21:15:42 by Raleirosen

Nexus Origin

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Raleirosen said :
Nope, totally wrong. Do you have proof that it is "totally wrong"? Aren't you coming to a conclusion without any facts to base it on? Isn't that what you're claiming that believers in God are doing? That's kind of a double standard, isn't it?

How do you propose that the rules for the universe came into existence?
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09-Sep-2017 21:32:39 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2017 21:33:21 by Nexus Origin

Raleirosen

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Nexus Origin said :
Do you have proof that it is "totally wrong"? Aren't you coming to a conclusion without any facts to base it on? Isn't that what you're claiming that believers in God are doing? That's kind of a double standard, isn't it?

How do you propose that the rules for the universe came into existence? I'm not saying your conclusion is totally wrong, I'm instead referring to your argument. You're saying that design/rules/patterns/etc. necessitate a creator or designer, I'm rejecting that because there is no evidence or facts to support it. Burden of proof is on you. Nice try, though.

Nobody knows how the rules of the universe came into existence; the (weak) assumption that there must be a designer because we can observe rules in nature is at least 200 years old (watchmaker analogy) and, again, nobody should take it seriously. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

09-Sep-2017 21:40:31 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2017 21:42:25 by Raleirosen

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