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i Revive

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"Pretentious"... That's such a silly word to describe anime. It's like the words "hipster" and "elitist."

Girls und Panzer didn't click with me, that's all there is to it. Sometimes I'll watch an anime and I don't have any particular reason for disliking it, but I'm just not feeling it. I don't know how to describe it. Though I'm surprised that's the one you question me about and not other shows I've dropped like Ga-Rei: Zero, Honey and Clover, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Lovely Complex, Mushishi ...

19-Aug-2013 00:45:16

Jesse B77

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Not really. Hipster and Elitist are descriptors for people who behave in a certain manner, where as Pretentious is a descriptor for the manner itself. I think its a perfectly acceptable accusation to level at those sorts of shows that I know you like, where the director is saying 'right, here's something vague, figure out what I'm trying to say' (wasn't saying ALL of what you like is pretentious, just those shows in particular). I tend to get the feeling that the presentation oft holds more sway than the message or theme, which often gets over-interpreted and blown out of proportion, hence it seems valid to me to say that the anime in question is pretentious, artificially deep if you will.


The main reason I asked about GuP was just I was wondering if maybe you jumped the gun on the droppage, it's a bit of a slow starter for that first few episodes, though admittedly the tone doesn't change much. Didn't ask about the others since I haven't seen the bulk of them, the only other two we share as far as I can remember was Ga Rei: Zero (which I personally liked but I can see why it wouldn't thrill everyone) and Umineko, which I seem to recall you voicing your thoughts on at some point before, through I dont remember exactly what those thoughts were.

19-Aug-2013 01:47:38

i Revive

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I mean that I perceive the words pretentious, hipster, and elitist as hollow and hold no value, not that the words themselves are directly related.

Pretentious translates to me as "I didn't understand it, but I need some sort of rebuttal for those that did" or "It wasn't my taste, but I need some sort of rebuttal for those that liked it." There hasn't been any show I've watched that I've had to make up my own interpretations for vast parts of the story. Some of the shows people like to call pretentious such as Evangelion, Lain, Texhnolyze, and Ergo Proxy I've had no trouble understanding major plot points. Sure there may be small parts where you have to think on your own accord but that makes it fun and entertaining in its own right. Anything labeled with the psychological genre could be tagged as "pretentious" the way I see it. It ultimately just boils down to what your personal taste is, therefore I don't view "pretentious" as being a valid argument. Err... I wish I could explain the rest of what I'm thinking but I really can't word it right.

19-Aug-2013 02:45:34

i Revive

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I should probably try Ga Rei: Zero again actually. I don't know why I dropped it. I don't remember what I said about Umineko either, but I remember dropping it, picking it up, then dropping it again.

Coming back to edit my post 8 hours later... But why are we still using these forums again lol? Well whatever, like I said on MAL I'll be watching Koi Kaze next after I finish Initial D since you reminded me of it Jesse, I've been wanting to watch it for quite some time.

19-Aug-2013 02:58:03 - Last edited on 19-Aug-2013 10:45:10 by i Revive

Joowi

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Jesse B77 said :
Nor do the majority of us, welcome to the exception. Though I expect thats probably because Revive chased away all the narutards lol.

"Narutards"
I honestly don't see what's so bad about liking Naruto.

22-Aug-2013 04:22:05 - Last edited on 22-Aug-2013 04:24:04 by Joowi

Jesse B77

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Wrong with liking it, nothing save for maybe a slight question to be raised concerning the person in questions tolerance for idealistic prattle and painful mediocrity.

Narutard is a step up, or down rather, a person who's entire existence within the anime collective fandom is comprised of works that you would find in Shonen Jump or one of its sister magazines, which they worship as though they are the epitome of creative fiction, and actively avoid or even LOOK DOWN upon other anime. This bites becasue these sorts of people are selectively blind to the fact that the bulk of the shonen genre is an endless retread of itself, recycling plot points, dues ex machina resolutions and one-sided, black and white idealist notions of justice, friendship and comradery (which makes me want to vomit, I might add).

So, in summation, there is little wrong with liking the show perse, but if you think its the best thing since sliced bread then...

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In expansion, since I am on the subject I would like to 'for the record' my opposition to idealism. Works that profess black and white, light and dark, good and evil concepts of justice (superhero comics being the worst offenders) are one of the things that annoy me most in fiction becasue they present an unrealistic portrayal that seeps into the collective unconscious of society, one of the few places were people stop being able to differentiate between reality and fiction on an unconscious level.

Life experience and my education in the law and justice sector has lead me to believe that these idealistic portrayals of justice and the dichotomy of right and wrong are a cancer. The man in the dock is very rarely as 'evil' as the masses believe while they bay for his blood. Justice, true justice as written by the word of law, means that justice is for everyone including the accused, and extends far deeper than guilt or innocence. This is rarely presented in media, where the hero and villan are always clear.

22-Aug-2013 16:45:11

Sonicfanx1
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Sorry, I just have to get this off my chest first:

For gods sake, High School DxD New!!!
(Spoiler alert)

GASPER IS A FREAKING BOY!!!
Enjoyed the new Op and Ending, actually, I enjoyed the new ending more since it was a whole lot similar to the season one ending.
WOOO. "Maou" Shoujo Leviathan appears in the next episode!
Vali is freaking awesome. Expected of the "Butt Dragon"...yes he has a butt fetish for some reason.
Now will I get to see the birth of the oppai dragon?
-Dragon Dragon Oppai Dragon, Click Click Zoom Zoom Iyan....what?

LIGHT NOVELS!!!

Question: Have any of you seen "Carnival Phantasm" yet? It's a crossover parody-comedy of Fate/Stay Night and its sequel and Tsukihime. Status: "Retired" From RuneScape. May come back to get 99 Slayer in 1 or 2 years.

22-Aug-2013 17:29:49

Sonicfanx1
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Joowi said :
Jesse B77 said :
Nor do the majority of us, welcome to the exception. Though I expect thats probably because Revive chased away all the narutards lol.

"Narutards"
I honestly don't see what's so bad about liking Naruto.

Well...

I'll be honest with you. Naruto has its good points and bad points. The good points are that it's long, has an interesting lore and is pretty-sorta creative.

The bad parts are that the fan base are freaking a-holes (like CoD **** saying CoD is the best FPS out there), and I heard the fight scenes are waaaay too short and constantly has fillers.

I lost interest in Naruto years ago. So I don't really have footing to hold a discussion with you. Status: "Retired" From RuneScape. May come back to get 99 Slayer in 1 or 2 years.

22-Aug-2013 17:33:55

Genocyber

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^same standing. B4 the filler season, show was awesome, fillers just ruined it, but the manga is still going strong imo.

btw...

RIP SS Ayase , and to all the other ppl with 99 sailing , rip SS Kuroneko, even SS Kanako and SS Manami. In the end, even SS Kirino didn't quite fulfill her mission. :(

WELL, Oreimo (last 3 episodes) have been a mindf***, but a mindf*** went well. But I don't get how Kyousuke could dump a perfectly good harem for limited time with his sister, that guy is something :/

My 3rd ship after Ayase and Ruri **** Saori anyone? XD (ik maybe in the OVA?)
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22-Aug-2013 18:11:52 - Last edited on 22-Aug-2013 18:13:47 by Genocyber

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