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Jesse B77

Jesse B77

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If the truth contained in said worthless to the act of discussion namedrop was something amounting to 'SLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW'. I cant help but feel like very little happens in each individual episode. I've not read the manga, so I dont know how it paces in comparison, but it seems to me that the series spends so much time waving around the fact that the titans are horrible and that mankind is fearful of them that it's moving forward at a terribley slow rate.

I mean, look at episode 11. From a purely analytic viewpoint, very little actually happened, people just stood around and talked. Less talking, more titan killing, this isn't Bakemongatari.

17-Jun-2013 16:01:02 - Last edited on 17-Jun-2013 16:03:01 by Jesse B77

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Jesse B77 said :
If the truth contained in said worthless to the act of discussion namedrop was something amounting to 'SLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW'. I cant help but feel like very little happens in each individual episode. I've not read the manga, so I dont know how it paces in comparison, but it seems to me that the series spends so much time waving around the fact that the titans are horrible and that mankind is fearful of them that it's moving forward at a terribley slow rate.

I mean, look at episode 11. From a purely analytic viewpoint, very little actually happened, people just stood around and talked. Less talking, more titan killing, this isn't Bakemongatari.

Thaaank you!

17-Jun-2013 17:47:40

Icy Spring

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I've read the manga, and yes, this part is slow. Up until episode 8 the show covered about one chapter per episode, but episodes 9, 10, and 11 have all been part of chapter 10, which is 200 pages. That being said, the last episode felt very drawn-out. It seems that they're going to wrap up chapter 10 with another episode; if you read the manga, it's clear what the season finale will include.

17-Jun-2013 20:52:30

Boss Of Nz

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Hi guys.

I thought about creating my own thread, but thought I would post here first and see what responses I get.

I am looking at creating some kind of anime/cartoon. I want to create characters, a plot, settings, everything you would find in normal animes. I don't live in Japan, so that's going against me. I want to do this to make money to supplement my current part time work, im not going to lie. I know I wont be making thousands of dollars overnight, it will take years, if I even make it.

I want to create some kind of show similar to Dragon Ball Z, back in my day I, and many others, loved that show. I have an idea of instead of collecting Dragon Balls they need to collect 5 rings which can be scattered on multiple planets. When you collect all 5 it summons some kind of Ring master or something. What this ring master does im not entirely sure. There will be some kind of "leader" and maybe his brother wants to be as strong as him. (Kind of like how Vegeta could never beat Goku).

I don't intend to copy DBZ, so please don't think that. Even thought it may sound like that, what I have got right now has been in my mind for a few hours only.

There is evil forces trying to collect the rings as well, but the good guys are trying to stop them. I don't know its only an idea right now, its only been in my head for a few hours.

I need to create a comic book series or some kind of book series before it can get made into a show, correct?

Anyway what I wanted to know is have you had any experiences making a character? a plot? Have you created some comics? What is your experiences?

Please tell me everything, what worked for you, what didn't work, what was the hardest part?

For me I have 0 skills in making animation nor can I draw to save my life so that is a big hurdle to overcome.

Thanks guys, look forward to your responses

19-Jun-2013 02:21:39

Jesse B77

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If only anime worked like that. If it did, a gender-swapped me-by-proxy would have showered the inside of your computer screen with copious amounts of her classmates bodily fluids (get your mind out of the gutter) a while ago. First I want to just make sure that you understand the role that anime, manga and the people who produce the aforementioned works of media actually play (not implying that you dont already know this, but its worth stating 'for the record'. hang out on Yahoo Answers alot, and its painful how many people dont actually get how the anime industry works).

What it seems to me that a lot of people dont understand is that when we are talking about a manga adaptation, the mangaka play's little to no role in the production of the anime. They dont make it, they dont commission it, and for that matter they tend to have very little input as to how the thing even gets made. There are a lot of people laboring under the illusion that the mangaka is the centerpiece of the anime, or that the act of making a manga means that you will get an anime made out of it if you put up enough, but this is not the reality.

Ok, actually the second one is partially true, the nature of a capitalist society means that if you throw enough money at something, your will be done. But I'm going to say that its doubtful you have enough money to throw, a 2010 study into the cost of anime production found that that an average 30 minute episode(whether this is literally a '30 minute episode' or an episode which fills a 30 minute time-slot, with approx 24 minutes of animation, I am unsure) cost about 11 million yen (or about 150,000 USD) to produce.

Indeed, it's worth noting that manga is not a necessary step for anime. Light novels, visual novels, book and original productions are not unheard of, though manga > anime has long been the standard).

So were does that put you?

19-Jun-2013 14:29:22

Jesse B77

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Well, right were you seem to be aware that you need to be I guess. Its worth noting that while you do not necessarily NEED to produce a manga (you mentioned 'or comic' above, but western animation is something we should rule out for an endeavor like this, since story driven western animation is a very new frontier), light novels, visual novels, regular novels and original works are not unheard of and have become increasingly more common in passing years, manga > anime still remains the staple standard. And again, for the record, NO STUDIO will make an anime if you just send them a script, wont even read it and will just return it or burn it, because they dont want to open up their inbox to every Hideki, Jiro and Takeyama who think they can write.

Realistically speaking, this is the only avenue open to you if you want to see your story become an anime at some point. But this is an avenue that requires a lot of commitment, more than you seem to be willing to give it. This will involve moving to Japan (for which immigration is a b**** I might add), mastering the language and learning to draw, as well as a full commitment of your time. Basically, there's no such thing as a part time mangaka, its all or nothing. This will be especially true for the shonen genre, which tends to favor serial distribution by magazine and will therefore require you to keep ahead of a significant schedule.

And even then, at the end of all this, there is the luck element. I dont have hard numbers, but I think its obvious without that data that the percentage of manga that continue on to the anime stage are the minority in comparison with the amount of manga that are produced. Somebody needs to market you finished (and hopefully popular) manga to a studio, that needs to have the time and financial backing to produce it. The chance of that is low, the chance of a studio that is willing to undertake a project ad-infinitum ala DBZ and co is even more remote.

19-Jun-2013 14:29:42 - Last edited on 19-Jun-2013 14:46:16 by Jesse B77

Jesse B77

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Now that I'm done breaking hearts and destroying dreams, lets talk about something that I can give you advice you can realistically put into practice straight away, writing and visual storytelling. I'm no Maeda or Urob*chi, no Shinbo and indeed no Akira Toriyama (if anything I'm more like an Ano circa 1995) and have a bad habit of falling back on the act of killing characters off for a cheap grab at tension, but I do alright for myself.

So, writing and storytelling huh. I wont lie when I say that there is but one ultimate way when it comes to the process, or indeed that there is an ideal way or one which is more effective than the other. Much like any artform, each individual creator has their own means and ends, their own methodology for approaching this. I can explain my way of doing this, but thats about it.

My own preference when it comes to planning out a story is to start at the general story statement, and then start from the end and the theme (more on those in a sec), and indeed it is important to plan. It can be tempting to jump in full of zeal and enthusiasm and start whacking out a rough draft, but stories written in this way have a tendency to meander and get off track. I believe Stephen King writes his novels this way, and has to do some pretty serious revision and rewriting before publication.

So, your general statement is your first step. This is just a one liner about your story that establishes the general premise, what is the story you wan to tell? Doing this will allow you to identify the key elements in your story that will be the focus of the next thing, the end. Starting from the end may seem like a strange idea but what it does is gives you direction and a target for the story. At this point the specific hows, whens and wheres are not important, again, its only a general statement.

19-Jun-2013 14:29:55 - Last edited on 19-Jun-2013 15:31:24 by Jesse B77

Jesse B77

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So, with this done its time to think about theme. Why this story? What is your personal investment in it? This is not to say that you NEED this, many works dont and that ok, but its important to think about early on because if you do have a theme or a specific thought or motif that you want to present to the readership through the course of your work, that needs to be front and center in your thinking at all times.

By now you should have identified most of the key elements of the story in relation to who and what and how and a general sense of where and when. Who are the characters needed to reach your goal, how are they going to reach that goal, and what, if any, mcguffins are required to advance the plot. Now you can fill in these outlines, dont worry about doing them all at once and fully understanding your plot, dont be afraid to be flexible and change the story, add and cut as needed. The outlines are goals to reach on your way to the primary target, just fill them as you get to them. The only ones you need to know now are:

-Who is the main character and how does he/she become involved in the plot
-Who is the main villain, if any, and what is their motivation
-What is the mythology behind your mcguffins

With these three things in mind, ive found that the pieces of the plot fall into place and flesh themselves out rather naturally in the act of telling. Characters gain family and friends, abilities and traits, enemies and allies as the story goes on via a process of idea and necessity. I hope this sort of makes sense, its easy for me to understand but its tough to put into words for others. Just start thinking about your story and the blanks fill themselves in.

19-Jun-2013 15:56:21

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