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Kiwi Magic

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Joel said :
A few side effects such as flu-like symptoms, low fever, muscle aches were to be somewhat expected, I had a few as well and those alone aren't concerning but rather an immune reaction that you could get from an annual flu shot too.

I have never had an annual flu shot or had the flu for at least a decade, besides getting sick from the booster jab.

The symptoms were not mild either and were concerning to me, its enough to make me not want to get another 'vaccine' jab that doesn't stop someone getting Covid.

Fortunately to my knowledge I have not had Covid, but I know people who have had all the jabs and gotten Covid.

A vaccine is meant to stop someone getting a virus or disease and usually takes decades to develop.

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14-Jun-2022 06:46:06

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2005

Megycal

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Everyone I know had the Covid vaccination and only one had a strong reaction that lasted a few days, she said it was like having the flu. Everyone else had a mild reaction or none at all. I had a sore arm for a couple of days. Several of those people have now caught Covid but I never expected the immunity from the vaccine to last a long time, especially as the virus mutates. People also vary in their immune response to a vaccine with some not forming antibodies at all. The flu vaccine has to be given every year as the variants in circulation change. Tetanus needs boosting every 10 years or so. If we don't encounter the pathogen our bodies can "forget" how to deal with it. Some diseases have a lifetime immunity from a course iof vaccination but most don't.
As for more serious side effects they are

VERY

rare. The possibility of atypical blood clots wasn't brushed under the carpet once there was sufficient evidence for it to be likely the vaccine was the cause. That's why, later on, it was only used in people over 30 in the UK where the risks from Covid were significantly higher than from the vaccine. Even so the risk of a clot was still very low.

14-Jun-2022 11:29:33

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2007

XSlay4DeathX

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Megycal said :

As for more serious side effects they are

VERY

rare. The possibility of atypical blood clots wasn't brushed under the carpet once there was sufficient evidence for it to be likely the vaccine was the cause.

How rare is very rare when your giving nearly everyone on earth these vaccines? I know many who have been banned on social media for claiming such side effects...if they censor people, the data is already tainted.

More likely 'very rare' anyones posts on such got past the coding that removes it...it's also hard and unrealistic to give a vaccine a 80% success rate, when the chance for death by covid was under 4%. How do you measure it? I know many who got the vaccine, all of them basically caught covid 19 and one has long covid atm.

Lets just agree, it's a good thing this virus didn't have a higher rate of death, given the stupidity of people. Still killed a lot in my books.

And...given all the lies from media lately, did they also lie about covid 19 numbers? The sinister narratives are catching up with the lies. I'm watching everyone, their chess moves on this board didn't go unnoticed by me. They messed up so badly if what i know gets out to the public...'the end'

Truth makes sense, Lies don't add up when you do something i knew was going to fail before they made the decision. They tried to profit off covid 19 but covid 19 was just 'bait' in a trap. No vaccine will stop this virus, yes i'm sure it saved some lives but we waited 1 year for this vaccine and forced people to get it, even fired many who don't trust it.

Our society is broken and divided.

The hourglass until people find out the truth has already started.

14-Jun-2022 14:49:50

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2004

Ms Toxicity

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Out of my family and friends, everyone, except for my sister, had mild symptoms, after the vaccinations. My sister, however, ended up in hospital.

Naturally, she was hesitant with the second vaccination and boosters but her doctors gave her alternatives to the original Astra Zeneca.

I acknowledge that the vaccine does not stop the people from contracting COVID but the serverity and duration of the illness is very much diminished for the vaccinated. Regarding sources of information, I agree with Joel. Make sure that you are reading information from reliable sources. Facebook and Twitter, although popular, are not the best place to obtain information about COVID.

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14-Jun-2022 15:28:18 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2022 15:29:14 by Ms Toxicity

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2005

Joel

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@XSlay4DeathX, you can't just counter statistics and studies with "Well I don't trust them" and have nothing else backing that up. It's the same type of argument people have who believe the Earth is flat despite us knowing categorically that it isn't.

Yes, content got taken down or labelled on social media sites as false or misleading and I'm not going to suggest that was a totally accurate way of doing it, but it definitely helped curb the spread of misinformation. We even had an element of that here in this forum, in this very thread, or at least an earlier version of it.

I'm sorry, but respectfully, justifying your 'own research' with simply saying "I see everything" is not justification. This is why I'm so thankful that medical science is based on proven scientific studies and what we know to be true at that moment in time (as science evolves as we learn).

There are sources available with statistics on the various aspects of Covid, whether it be cases, deaths, vaccination rates etc that aren't directly from media or social media outlets.

So let's re-iterate, because it's important - statistically so far the FDA approved vaccines have proven to be massively effective against preventing serious illness as a result of contracting Covid and in terms of its adverse and long-lasting side effects, they've proven to be statistically extremely rare events (we're talking about a tiny fraction of less than 1%). Any statement suggesting otherwise currently, isn't based in fact considering what the current statistics have proven. If you have anything proving otherwise, I'm sure you would have shared it by now.

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14-Jun-2022 15:41:54

Brigantia

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The best evidence for vaccines is polio.

Polio was a death sentence, or a lifetime of being stuck in an iron lung for the rest of your life for a lot of people for a long time. It was a legitimate fear for a long time for a lot of people back in the 1930s? America. American president FDR was afflicted by it and was lucky enough to only be wheelchair bound for the remainder of his adult life, hence the cloak.

Since the polio vaccine was introduced, polio has basically faded into nothingness. Nobody even really remembers it except maybe a few grandparents??? It was killing kids when it was rife. The stats don't lie.

I believe I stated on a previous version of this thread, but I'll say it again: I was horribly ill Christmas of 2019 through to mid to late-ish January 2020 with a mystery illness and was very close to hospitalization. Had I had access to healthcare, I would've gone. It was that bad for me. I was struggling to breathe, sicker than a dog, keeping myself sedated with diphenhydramine and above all I was ready to die. It was that bad, but I didn't have insurance. I'm really lucky to even be alive tbh lol

Arrr! Only th' Devil an' I know th' where'bouts o' me treasure, an' th' one o' us who lives th' longes' should take i' all.

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14-Jun-2022 15:51:06

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2005

Megycal

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Smallpox has been eradicated thanks to mass vaccination. Polio is extremelly rare but it is still around in some countries so here in the UK the vaccine is still given.
edit to add: My Dad worked with a man who'd had polio. He wore a leg brace and walked with a bad limp but he considered himself lucky to have survived.

Yikes Brigantia! I'm really glad you didn't end up in hospital.

14-Jun-2022 18:08:29 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2022 18:14:01 by Megycal

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2007

XSlay4DeathX

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^ those vaccines actually stop the sickness tho, covid 19 vaccine doesn't, only limits a 1% death rate but they force it for greed.

Also FDA is corrupt. To prove such would be political but i can pin a lot of those in charge for high treason against the people, you can't out smart the motives on why they did this VS that...

If science is so great, how come global warming is real? this earth has cycles, your yard can very easily become a swamp is you don't cut your lawn for 40 years etc. "clearly our evidence shows that those before us dug into the ice to find coal and thus causing the ice to melt!" O_o

Science + logic is what creates truth. The narrative is profits, plain and simple. "it's safe to travel" <---money..., they don't give a shit about the people. What happened to 'safety first'? Don't know how dangerous it is, don't assume.

^miscalculation causing spread of covid 19 and deaths? <--if humanity is that dumb, we are in real trouble here, oh we are, at all fronts...

I have lost faith in humanity, media and the 'system'. During the trucker conveys, those who wanted jobs back due to mandates were called 'racists', day i realized new legal systems must rise up to pin those for high treason "failure to act for the people, influence from the outside, overreach of power and treason turning democracy into a dictatorship"

^those beaten by police, the videos of it, all were not shown on our media's, "they are no longer our friends..." Corruption must face a death sentence, thus creating fear for this to never happen again. "facts, those videos were photoshoped the police say" <--lies, i watched them on rumble from 3+ different phones.

The legal system must be restored to the people. I don't trust facts from sources, only what i see with my own eyes. I assume all are on the influenced list.

Sorry if that got political but 'we are divided'. I stand with the people, not the corruptionists.

If they lied above that, what else is a lie? "Empire Of Lies" RIP

15-Jun-2022 06:34:09

Mar

2007

XSlay4DeathX

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@Joel if my above post is a no no, just hide it, let it slide, you wanted to know my reasons, i did a small portion of it.

"no one ever likes the truth, only likes a lie"

Only lie i told thus far, is "i don't know what happens next" i do see all possibilities and chances for bypasses are limited and will not be followed thus 'failure' will occur.

my post on month 3 that was removed due to 'fear mongering' i stated you either value the people, or money. choices are critical.

I needed the world to change no matter the cost, and it will.

15-Jun-2022 06:53:40

Feb

2005

Joel

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Covid's impact wasn't * just * an approx. 1% death rate, it was crippling health care systems around the world, causing issues for people waiting for much needed treatments and surgeries that had nothing to do with Covid so let's not try to downplay the impact Covid had, both directly and indirectly.

It's especially bewildering how people can play down a 1% risk factor but boost and fear about a risk factor substantially lower (the risk of adverse reactions from vaccines).

I'm not getting into a debate about corruption, that's political and not within the scope or rules of this thread/forum whether I agree or not. Yes, money makes the world go round. It's an unfortunate truth and isn't changing anytime soon.

All I will say is, we saw the impacts Covid had on health, work, the economy and so on and we now see the statistics available about both Covid and its vaccines. If you choose not to believe them then that's your choice, but it doesn't make them incorrect.

In regards to your global warming comment, I'm sure there's a thread in this forum already to discuss that - but nobody denies that the planet goes through cycles but what's also known from data is how we've also had an impact on making it worse.

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