RuneScape Forum Archive | Wilderness PvP Returns

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2018

Daddy Roshi

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Roleutrio said :
Also, risking being killed by a PvPer for that extra XP is how it is meant to be. Now they just killed off more content (normal RCing) by making it too easy to craft via the Abyss. Stop complaining and wanting EasyScape. ahhh yes pk'ing a defenceless rc'er is soo much fun and takes soo much skill to do mhmm ur right cause that's fun for both people! Except abyss doesn't give u extra xp unless ur wearing the skull which makes u opt into pvp regardless if u want to or not so u can still pk rc'ers if they choose to get the extra xp with the skull same with people catching charming moths if they have the skull for extra xp then u can pk them I see nothing wrong with using the abyss for rc training it's been around for a long time so saying it's killing off regular rc training isn't true

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18-Apr-2023 16:24:41

May

2023

ShallPrevail

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Rikornak said :
Roleutrio said :
Actually more than half of RS died because they destroyed PvP with the combat and wildy changes.

That was 15 years ago . And it took a 'I brought the wilderness back' wall consisting mainly of bot names to have it returned the first time. They've displayed that thing at some runefest even.

Face it - even in OS - which is the closest you can get to whatever the game was in 2007 - most players despise the wilderness system ( not pvp - albeit RS never was a good pvp game, but for some that RNG simulator is good enough if they don't lose everything) so basically every bigger change or content addition to it fails. Causing Jagex to put it out nevertheless despite community approval being a pillar of that game.

If you liked the system so much, there is OS for you. It won't ever change there. And still it is not for most players what you're trying to refer to. OS also hasn't got closely the player numbers RS2 had had back in the day - what could be the reason for this? It's obviously not waylay pvp having been removed.

And how long has RS3 been dead / in decline for? 15 years....wow.....

If you don't know, Minigames and PVP were part of RuneScape's theme back in the day before the big decline started and you most certainly will never give good output on topics that include the wilderness or minigames.

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You consistently just try to give poor examples on why PVP and minigames have no relevance to RS3, even though RS3 is already dead / in decline... and for some reason Jagex still hasn't invested any money into proper community Minigames/PVP content.

Oldschool is an extremely bad example, the game is all over the place in terms of content, the theme of it is being put on the rocks consistently and I'm sure player's are even more pressured looking at how bad of a failure RS3 has been. OS has made PVP over complicated and annoying. bad example.

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20-Apr-2023 21:40:50

May

2023

ShallPrevail

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Now back to RS3.

The true problem here is obviously investment issues, the original creators tried to make the game better, but rushed the new combat system and stumbled more with other things.

They tried to get help and ended up selling the company, the company that bought the game obviously never intended on making RuneScape RuneScape again and instead they kept the name, the brand and tried to manipulate the players with large boring PVM updates and other things in order to manipulate and control as many players as they could.

There is no mastermind behind this company, just a business savvy person using basic gaming tricks and content in order to make a profit off loyal wanting RuneScape players.

It's disgusting and it should be illegal, it is illegal but for whatever reason nobody is doing anything about it.

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20-Apr-2023 21:50:32 - Last edited on 20-Apr-2023 21:53:10 by ShallPrevail

Oct

2013

Rikornak

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Yadayadayada... of course pvp is the reason why the game is in decline for 15 years. It was a hard cut at that time, sure... but that's basically it. If your logic would even remotely work, the player base must have instantly recovered the second that wildy rule set was re-implemented. Hasn't for reasons, huh?

Do you know what also caused hard cuts in the player base at their times? The aggressive introduction of MTX and a more than messed up release of the EoC, which took long to fix - too long. Hard to tell, which one was more to blame, it certainly was too close to one another. And probably enough smaller wrongs, that can add up.

It's of no matter anymore. The wildy is extremely unliked in both games. And of course is OS a better example, when it literally wants to resemble the game from that time , rather than something that evolved veeeeeeeeery slightly over the years. And that's exactly the reason why RS3 changed the wilderness to what it is now - to be able to use it for new content - content players like - or at least willingly interact with.

Not failed updates ad infinitium until the point that even the biggest supporter of your 'community' understood it's just a lost cause - after throwing tons and tons of different kinds of players at you, who did not wanted to have anything to do with you or the likes of you. Or why have those updates failed at rejuvenating the wilderness, when the playerbase is so overhyped about that place and its mechanics?

That has nothing to do with it being a different game - most players just have changed and do no longer deem something fun, they did 20 years ago. And to be fair they already no longer did 10 years ago - and possibly even longer than that. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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20-Apr-2023 22:27:46 - Last edited on 20-Apr-2023 22:58:57 by Rikornak

Oct

2013

Rikornak

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And sorry dude - I haven't said minigames have no place in this game - neither in your thread, nor in this - so don't credit me things I haven't said, unless you actually think the wilderness and minigames are the same.

I even said Jagex should focus on making an appealing PvP experience there - if they deem the effort worth it. Which can also be an issue, since none of the minigames updates in the past decade managed to keep players interested for longer than just a bit of time either. But in general their existence is not detrimental, but it might help if the number of likewise games are culled to something more sustainable. Otherwise - of course lots and lots of balancing for our characters to properly work in pvp in the first place.

But the dysgenic cesspool the wilderness was was unfixable. Well - kinda. Jagex did it.

Rikornak said :
ShallPrevail said :

PVP is the heart and soul of RuneScape,

That at best was the case two decades ago.

Players despise this wilderness system heavily even in OS (no chance to get any closer to something resembling 2007), at best we had had a scenario in which you just couldn't care about it like in RS3.

I am certainly the last one opposing a proper PvP environment akin to what other games have with proper balancing - but can we just blast this waylay crap to oblivion once and for all. Griefers had been given so many chances and still with that bit what was kept for them they constantly show it's too much.

From your thread. Where the heck am I saying, that minigames have to be gone? Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

20-Apr-2023 22:30:00 - Last edited on 20-Apr-2023 22:39:18 by Rikornak

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ShallPrevail

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Rikornak said :
Yadayadayada... of course pvp is the reason why the game is in decline for 15 years. It was a hard cut at that time, sure... but that's basically it. If your logic would even remotely work, the player base must have instantly recovered the second that wildy rule set was re-implemented. Hasn't for reasons, huh?

Do you know what also caused hard cuts in the player base at their times? The aggressive introduction of MTX and a more than messed up release of the EoC, which took long to fix - too long. Hard to tell, which one was more to blame, it certainly was too close to one another. And probably enough smaller wrongs, that can add up.

It's of no matter anymore. The wildy is extremely unliked in both games. And of course is OS a better example, when it literally wants to resemble the game from that time , rather than something that evolved veeeeeeeeery slightly over the years. And that's exactly the reason why RS3 changed the wilderness to what it is now - to be able to use it for new content - content players like - or at least willingly interact with.

Not failed updates ad infinitium until the point that even the biggest supporter of your 'community' understood it's just a lost cause - after throwing tons and tons of different kinds of players at you, who did not wanted to have anything to do with you or the likes of you. Or why have those updates failed at rejuvenating the wilderness, when the playerbase is so overhyped about that place and its mechanics?

That has nothing to do with it being a different game - most players just have changed and do no longer deem something fun, they did 20 years ago. And to be fair they already no longer did 10 years ago - and possibly even longer than that.

Whenever Jagex decides to take an actual look at properly creating a wilderness supporting PVP for RS3 come talk to me, until then I could care less about your discussions on why RS3 is failing.

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23-Apr-2023 04:28:04

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PvP died when Jagex removed Wildy PvP in 2007 and didn't add an acceptable replacement in time (the first incarnation of Bounty Hunter).
All those players that fixated on PvP simply left. Utterly depressing that the concept of the Wilderness PvP and Free Trade removal is now old to drive in the US.

The combination of EoC and MTX killed what was left. One group of players didn't want a WoW style combat system. Others didn't want to deal with MTX. Equally depressing that these 2 features are now old enough to be in middle school.

Yet hear we are still whining about it over a decade later.

PVP IS DEAD.

How many iterations of bounty hunter, wilderness revamping, introduction of "duelling anywhere", Darkscape, and even the reintroduction nearly a decade ago of the Pre-free trade/pvp free wildy game mode is it going to take to literally beat into you that PvP is not coming back and that this community no longer wants it?

I'm effing serious. Look at every. Single. PvP. Update that Jagex has done.

You think that just one more update is going to revive it?

Look around you man ......... this is a gaming company that spent a decade straying from the original concept the Gower laid down.

Mod Jack is just now dragging the storyline back into Pre-The World Wakes type stories. Even that is going to take a long time to get going.
BTW, they are also skipping on doing flag checks on what quests and stuff you've done before ... so they are taking the easy way out and just assuming that "yeah, you've done all the 5th Age stuff, and new god wars stuff, so you're the adventurer formerly known as the World Guardian" and moving forward from there.

Let that sink in.

They have practically abandoned the concept of a PoH rework.

Minigames as a whole have languished.

Yet they continue to do MTX and push forward with ever newer and newer content while letting other stuff die.

24-Apr-2023 04:33:50

Deltaslug

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Even the devs that were the biggest champions of the PvP community like Mod Pi have left the company.

They invested A LOT into trying to revive PvP and it all fell flat on its face.

It ain't just because the devs don't know how to do it right. It's just that what is left of the player base doesn't want to engage with it on a regular basis.

The whales of MTX are the main reason this game stays afloat. And the bot farms using stolen credit card info.

Heck. They've remove the Duel Arena, and that update is nearly 16 months old as of now.
And just a few months ago, they got rid of the risk system in the Wildy and just nerfed the drops for the Wildy Flash Events.

At the rate things are going for minigames, it's just a matter of time before some bug or graphical glitch makes them quite literally unplayable (a la Mobilizing Armies with whatever happened with the NXT graphical update and MA simply couldn't run anymore) and Jagex will be forced to remove the game. Cabbage Facepunch has been suffering from firewalls not appearing for months now, and might just be a matter of time before it glitches out and has to be removed.

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