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Heyley

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Gonna put this dead thread ahead.

It's very important, and I think these issues are being addressed. Gatsby I agree that it's hard to make the distinction between fake and real. I believe that's where your idea of increase in max cash/new currency/shards is interesting, thereby spreading inflation out over a wide blanket of items.

Merchanting is indeed all about creativity, and that's what I love about it. Being creative and seeing numbers go up, my two passions

@Gats, thank you for bringing out an organized clear cut discussion, and taking the time to read and respond to each idea. Cheers

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10-Sep-2020 23:22:37

Mr Gatsby

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Heyley said :
Gonna put this dead thread ahead.
I believe that's where your idea of increase in max cash/new currency/shards is interesting, thereby spreading inflation out over a wide blanket of items.

Yeah, that's the idea with the shards becoming more accessible, I don't think an ncrease in max cash/new currency (tradeable) is the way to go right now and it's probably something Jagex doesn't want to put the time into. I kind of explained the motivation for doing so in a different way on the support thread for changes to shards/shard packs :

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Please make spirit shards and spirit shard packs by:

Mr Gatsby said :

1) Increase the number of spirit shard packs sold by vendors from 65k to 320k
2) adding a shards to shard pack exchange option

Purpose:
Why? Short answer is quality of life (long answer) . This update would essentially provide an accessible higher non-tradeable currency, and would be a bridge step to having a higher currency.

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Pros :
-Small change that would not disrupt the economy
-Satisfies the need of stable storage of wealth on an account.

Cons :
-None really, it's better than nothing.

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Merchanting is indeed all about creativity, and that's what I love about it. Being creative and seeing numbers go up, my two passions

Same, but I also enjoy dodging crashes and doing risk reward analysis.

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@Gats, thank you for bringing out an organized clear cut discussion, and taking the time to read and respond to each idea. Cheers

Np, I appreciate that you kept the discussion going. Please support the new thread with a +8. W2's local swapper on the SW block, Trades broker, and PvP Events Host

Gatsby#8485

12-Sep-2020 21:02:43 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2020 22:02:37 by Mr Gatsby

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Everyone like price increases, usually people want to mitigate their losses on rares like partyhats or profit on them in the long term. So, price increases are good but with lack of new content that affects the market there isn't much to counter-balance rises. I don't think Jagex should directly try to micromanage the RS3 economy but that doesn't mean they can't influence it through updates when it is seemingly broken. W2's local swapper on the SW block, Trades broker, and PvP Events Host

Gatsby#8485

12-Sep-2020 21:37:03

Mr Gatsby

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Chromatic Partyhat Rework

I remember when the news of the chromatic partyhat first reached partyhat owners in 2015, people were all up in arms because they thought that it would devalue partyhats a lot, and it probably would have. That being said in 2015 a partyhat set was like 20-30b or something like that, so it would have been detrimental to prices. So we ended up getting an upside down hat, which matches the theme of new varrock but it could be done in a different way.

Looking at the rainbow partyhat on osrs which is worn upright, it looks better than the rs3 chromatic partyhat but it doesn't really compare to the classical or black partyhats.

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Rainbow_partyhat

Mr Gatsby said :

Change the Chromatic Partyhat to right-side up. To keep with the theme of "new varrock" make the hat float above characters heads or sit slanted similar to the ice cream cone hat.

This will basically give people a free partyhat, but not quite so they still would want the real deal.

What might this update accomplish?

Partyhats/rares may (temporarily) crash in price, not a big deal since a set is worth over 150b (versus sub 30b in 2015). Even if this update somehow causes phats to drop 30b to 120b, the set would have still increased ~40b since the release of archaeology.

Perhaps partyhats would be unaffected, which is okay too.

The purpose of this update should be to improve the experience for others, perhaps at the expensive of others but partyhats are bound to crash some anyways-they are already down from 170b/set-which makes it a good time to make changes if it passes a poll.

The chromatic partyhat is a more easily obtainable partyhat and it's something many can have, so it should be something people want. However, no matter how good they look they will always pale to the real deal W2's local swapper on the SW block, Trades broker, and PvP Events Host

Gatsby#8485

12-Sep-2020 21:46:39 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2020 22:19:50 by Mr Gatsby

Mr Gatsby

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Chromatic Partyhat Rework cont'd

Possible poll options:

1) Keep the chromatic partyhat unchanged.
2) Make the chromatic partyhat sit slanted on the characters head (similar to the ice cream cone hat)
3) Make the chromatic partyhat upright but float above the characters head
4) A combination of options 2 + 3 W2's local swapper on the SW block, Trades broker, and PvP Events Host

Gatsby#8485

12-Sep-2020 21:47:19 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2020 22:20:13 by Mr Gatsby

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Discussion Summary

From my suggestions on this thread, I think the following 3 are simple to implement and can be balanced:

1) Adding exemptions to the Naming & Shaming Forum Rules for item discussion threads to allow for the community to act as its own watchdog in terms of explicitly warning against misleading and false posts.

2) Shard/shard pack accessibility update asap as a Ninja fix ( qfc link is in my signature ).

3) Polling chromatic partyhat rework suggestions.

There's been some pretty good discussion on here for plat tokens and such, I think my suggestion is a middle ground/first step, so if you agree with plat tokens on rs3 then please support that thread.

We had some discussion on 1 and 3, I think 1 is an issue that is more complex since it has to do with peoples' behaviour on forums. So I would like to bring back the discussion to 3. If people have concerns, comments, or suggestions about that then please comment.

If there is decent progress on the thread I made for #2 and people seem to want to at least get #3 polled, then I'll make a separate thread for that as well. Then we can come back to discuss 1, or other suggestions that might be a bit more challenging to implement with balances in-game and/or forums.

Apologies for the walls of text, but please do read what people have written.

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Gatsby#8485

12-Sep-2020 21:55:36 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2020 22:26:29 by Mr Gatsby

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Mega Duck

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Mr Gatsby said :

1) Adding exemptions to the Naming & Shaming Forum Rules for item discussion threads to allow for the community to act as its own watchdog in terms of explicitly warning against misleading and false posts.

What's to stop the manipulators "naming and shaming" legitimate traders? Anyone can point their finger and make accusations if the rules were changed like this. It's also one of the reasons this rule is in place to begin with.

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12-Sep-2020 22:23:37

Mr Gatsby

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Mr Gatsby said :
People should be allowed to, respectfully and without being disruptive, call out people who are obviously trying to manipulate prices.

Blatant manipulation should include:

-Those who purposely repeatedly post ranges that are completely inaccurate (leeway should be given when there's a lack of reports or massive increases/decreases in prices)
-Throwaway accounts selling to throwaway accounts at suspicious prices
-People who report trades to players who then deny the trade took place
-People who recycle old trades/Photoshop trades
-People who sell/buy things off accounts that do not exist (if there's at least a picture, then maybe we can say there was a double name change)

@Mega Duck

this is what I suggested earlier in this thread, I can see how some people (not necessarily manipulators) would harass legitimate traders and I suggested that if that were to happen, then one could use forum help to report it.

That being said the adjustment/exception to the rule might need to be limited to commenting on particular trades, rather than the person themselves. So if someone is a serial fake poster, we wouldn't be saying "oh this guy always posts fake trades" since perhaps that outlier they posted or whatever it is was a legitimate trade despite their credibility (or lack of). If someone posts a trade to a non-existent account, their own account, or perhaps to a friend, then saying something like "take this trade with a grain of salt because..." wouldn't really be a bad thing.

In short there are two changes that could be made:
1) speaking out against people
2) speaking out against trades (similar to conflicts, but you can't conflict street trades)

So the question is, should 1 or 2 or both be allowed.

Personally, I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt since it prevents conflict but I think #2 is necessary if it's not just obvious, but 100% . W2's local swapper on the SW block, Trades broker, and PvP Events Host

Gatsby#8485

12-Sep-2020 22:38:28 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2020 22:45:57 by Mr Gatsby

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ELITE STACK

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For the forums they can add an ingame play time like 100 hours to prevent now alts from maniping on the forums. This wont completely stop the manip because of older alts but will limit posting on forums. I need my blue charms back.

12-Sep-2020 23:18:58

Mr Gatsby

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ELITE STACK said :
For the forums they can add an ingame play time like 100 hours to prevent now alts from maniping on the forums. This wont completely stop the manip because of older alts but will limit posting on forums.

Yeah, good idea. I'll add it to the list on the first page W2's local swapper on the SW block, Trades broker, and PvP Events Host

Gatsby#8485

13-Sep-2020 03:11:07

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