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Vengeance of
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With this week's update, we've gotten new EGWD god dialogue, and it seems we now have a rough idea of what we should expect from RS3's Duel Arena replacement next month, and where the Elder God Wars story arc is headed next...

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Icthlarin:
I see you have resorted to necromancy. In any other situation I would condemn it. As it stands...I can offer an alternative.
Armadyl
: Anything that can replace this horror is welcome.
Icthlarin
: My family once held a power that could temporarily restore willing souls to life, as a last resort. My demigod brother, Het, used it in the form of an amulet. He gave it up and allowed it to be forgotten many centuries ago. The potential for its misuse was too great. Normally I would respect Het's wishes and defer to his wisdom. But given the circumstances...If you truly wish to resurrect the dead and give them another chance to fight, then this could provide a better path.
Saradomin
: A path that does not rely on mortal necromancers... That would certainly ease some of my fears.
Seren
: Where is it?
Icthlarin
: Deeply hidden near Al Kharid, in Het's shrine. Mortals call the area the Duel Arena.

It seems Icthlarin intends to unseal Het's shrine, nestled somewhere within the DA, and recover an artefact that could bring the dead back to life temporarily to help the war effort. But what do you think this means for us, the players? Is the Duel Arena going to be torn down to make a new digsite or Slayer dungeon? Should we expect to kick off the new year with a new Desert quest based around recovering this "amulet"? Could we be looking at some long-dead characters, perhaps even some from our past, returning to the land of the living for one last ride? And how might using a power that Het thought too dangerous to use backfire spectacularly?

13-Dec-2021 23:16:22 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2021 23:16:46 by Vengeance of

Vengeance of
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I don't imagine gods are on the table for resurrection; they don't have afterlives and their "soul" seems to cease to exist upon their death. Quoted from Nomad's Elegy:

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Death: Bandos is gone forever now. As a god he has no afterlife, he has simply...gone.

Given that Death's one of the only sources of information we have on the afterlife (and is the one who reaps the souls of the dead), I think we can assume that his claim is accurate. So, presumably, that means no Guthix, no Bandos, no V; also, I don't remember where it was said, but I distinctly remember it being said at some point that Mahjarrat also don't have afterlives, so that would seem to rule out any of their dead as well (so no Lucien, Jhallan, etc.)

Though saying that, back during the Easter event this year, we *did* gather a massive number of manifestations of Guthix's energy into one place, and there's a tree that acts and looks kind of like him... could it be possible to create a new Guthix-like god with only a bunch of his energy and memories? It feels like a long shot to me, but who knows...

Speaking of Nomad's Elegy, I wonder if Xenia, Jessika/Korasi, and Hazelmere would answer the call to action one more time? Hazelmere apparently was more than willing to pass on, so maybe not him, but Xenia and Jessika/Korasi seemed to be willing to put it off until they were finished with their self-assigned duties in the aftermath of that quest.

14-Dec-2021 02:06:51

Dilbert2001
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Vengeance of said :
I don't imagine gods are on the table for resurrection; they don't have afterlives and their "soul" seems to cease to exist upon their death. Quoted from Nomad's Elegy:

Original message details are unavailable.
Death: Bandos is gone forever now. As a god he has no afterlife, he has simply...gone.

Given that Death's one of the only sources of information we have on the afterlife (and is the one who reaps the souls of the dead), I think we can assume that his claim is accurate. So, presumably, that means no Guthix, no Bandos, no V; also, I don't remember where it was said, but I distinctly remember it being said at some point that Mahjarrat also don't have afterlives, so that would seem to rule out any of their dead as well (so no Lucien, Jhallan, etc.)

Though saying that, back during the Easter event this year, we *did* gather a massive number of manifestations of Guthix's energy into one place, and there's a tree that acts and looks kind of like him... could it be possible to create a new Guthix-like god with only a bunch of his energy and memories? It feels like a long shot to me, but who knows...

Speaking of Nomad's Elegy, I wonder if Xenia, Jessika/Korasi, and Hazelmere would answer the call to action one more time? Hazelmere apparently was more than willing to pass on, so maybe not him, but Xenia and Jessika/Korasi seemed to be willing to put it off until they were finished with their self-assigned duties in the aftermath of that quest.

Bandos just doesn't exist in Death's "afterlive", but there are other afterlives including Erebus which I don't think even Death and Itchlarin know.

17-Dec-2021 17:35:29

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Slight problem: Dominion Tower
I'm well aware the lore with the Dominion Tower is that it is your memory of the opponent, and not the spirit .
But fighting former quest NPCs is a bit of an issue.
Though, to be fair, the Tower has us fighting old enemies not potentially allies .

I wouldn't be stunned if EGWD used former quest NPCs for the fight.

But for Duel Arena ...
- there are NPCs from holiday events that are deceased
- this would be an opportunity to bring in historical characters that we haven't met. former heroes and villains that have only been alluded to like Camorra
- plenty of player spoofs to abuse
- alternate timeline heroes/npcs?
- generic looking player like npcs?

18-Dec-2021 04:18:42

Vengeance of
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The RuneScape Twitter account posted a brief, bite-sized teaser yesterday, and it does appear that Het's shrine will, in fact, be a digsite.

But what I think is most interesting is that the teaser suggests that the site will contain artefacts that date back all the way to the First Age . There's been very little lore about that time period up until now: most of what we've learned is that it's the time period when humans and elves (and by extension Seren) first arrived on Gielinor, when Loarnab was wreaking havoc on Senntisten, and that Zaros arrived near the end of the age. This means that this digsite predates Kharid-et by a considerable number of years; the Zarosian/Menaphite wars didn't even start until several hundred years later.

This is really exciting, because that means that we're looking at a time period before Tumeken's near-fatal sacrifice, and before Amascut became The Devourer. This could be a potentially huge deal for the Desert plotline (on top of being the next direction for the Elder God plot arc), and a very revealing look into the past of the once great Kharidian Empire.

18-Dec-2021 06:17:37

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Yes, it felt inevitable that the Desert Pantheon was going to get tied into this somehow; considering Amascut became corrupted sometime around the point that she visited Mah on her visit to Freneskae, I definitely suspected that there would be at least some connection there. But I have to admit that I wasn't expecting that connection to link all the way back to the First Age (I felt Second Age was much more likely, given most of the major Desert Pantheon events that we know of happened in that time period).

18-Dec-2021 21:59:31 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2021 22:00:02 by Vengeance of

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Well, well, well! We now have a much clearer idea of what's happening, and when!

Link to the announcement newspost

We're not only getting a two-week long limited time event as we pick up the pieces of what was once the Duel Arena, but we're getting a smorgasbord of permanent content:

- Two new miniquests (one on January 4th, the other on the 10th)
- New Agility course set in the ruins of the DA after an earthquake hit
- new Hunter creatures, with Farming support "flowers" that determine their levels and can be converted into new honeycombs that boost POF breeding
- A new Summoning familiar that reduces Prayer drain and can dig up random bones
- "Prayer powders" made from the materials from the new hunter creatures (which are also used to make the new familiar's pouches) that provide various buffs to Prayer, both in combat and for training

And it all starts in two weeks. Presumably the dig site will open up once the Oasis has been fully repaired.

21-Dec-2021 21:10:13

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