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Dilbert2001
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Mod Jack has written a post on why they are doing Fresh Start Servers the way they told us. Long story short: Lapsed players is the company's focus and they asked for all those things in RS3's FSW. Jagex know some existing players may not like it but potentially huge number of lapsed players will return if they can get the stuff RS3 is offering:

"The intention of FSW is to appeal specifically to lapsed players. Right now it is our company policy that our best bet for increasing the health and longevity of RS is to specifically try to appeal to lapsed players (as opposed to new players). As Kalaya mentioned on the livestream, we talk to lapsed players about why they're lapsed and what would interest them in coming back.

FSW is an example of us trying to deliver to lapsed players something that would interest them. The people who are on reddit and in livestreams are not (for the most part) part of the lapsed audience we're trying to reach here - they're either existing players, or players who quit for some specific reason and are hanging around the community waiting for it to be changed (like all the stone spirit boycotters).

The specific thing I'm responding to here are various twitch and twitter polls being run for currently playing players which show overwhelmingly that they don't plan to play FSW, with the implication that this makes FSW a failure - but if no current players played FSW, and a lot of lapsed players returned to RS to play FSW, that would be a huge success!

I get that there is feedback on aspects of this and we'll be discussing that feedback, but in general I think it's good and healthy for us (Jagex and the community) to specifically create projects aimed at increasing the playerbase - it's the only way to ensure the long-term health of the game.

None of this is to say that current players don't matter - of course you do - but by definition we can't grow the game with existing players, and we need to do both."

15-Aug-2022 23:18:12

Dilbert2001
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"EDIT: To the question "why require a new account if it's for lapsed players?" - this is one of the things we've learned talking to lapsed players (especially long lapsed ones) - over 20 years people lose accounts, lose emails, get banned for something they did as a child, get hacked etc. Even if they do still have the account, a lot of players also have kind of mid-level accounts which beyond a vet cape don't really have much on them and wouldn't mind restarting. There's a potentially large audience of ex-players who would love to get back into RS, but don't want to start entirely from scratch - FSW is designed to work well for them."


https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/wp4fqz/comment/ikexo74/

Pretty obvious to me if 20 millions new and returning players asked for it, Jagex is wise to focus on brining them into their playerbase. Existing players will have other things to play with anyway, even if they don't participate in FSW and Jagex don't really expect all of them will. :)

15-Aug-2022 23:22:36

Draco Burnz
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Exactly.

Ppl are overreacting like usual and its really sad.

I get it that they might not get everything they want, FOMO cosmetics are a pain, but it is what it is.

Also i really dont get the whole reason why ppl are upset about having to create a new account?

The membership is somewhat understandable but not the account creation.
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16-Aug-2022 00:04:28 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2022 00:04:51 by Draco Burnz

Miu

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FSW are an attempt to bring in new players to the game. Being forced to make a new account and abandoning your old one doesn't sound like it appeals to "lapsed" players. Jagex has the capability to give players a unique profile, but they chose not to, making EVERYONE make a new account.

It would be reasonable to say that they don't want new players competing with every single active player, so the membership acts as a little barrier of entry for them. But making excuses about the lapsed players losing accounts... just seems disingenuous.
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16-Aug-2022 00:30:57

Draco Burnz
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Miu said :
FSW are an attempt to bring in new players to the game. Being forced to make a new account and abandoning your old one doesn't sound like it appeals to "lapsed" players.


Where was it stated that you have to "abandon you old account"?

All thats being done is something similar to what you do for osrs as even there you have to create a new character.

Yes you can use your existing email, but your character is not the same if you play rs3.
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16-Aug-2022 00:34:13

Dilbert2001
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Momshine said :
Doesn't this kind of mean that someone has the chance to be the 2023 Zezima?


Zezima was still playing the game, and streaming on Twitch a few months ago but nobody really care (or perhaps even know) about him.

Hiscores are no long a big thing, especially those for a temporary event.

16-Aug-2022 00:34:19

Dilbert2001
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Miu said :
FSW are an attempt to bring in new players to the game. Being forced to make a new account and abandoning your old one doesn't sound like it appeals to "lapsed" players. Jagex has the capability to give players a unique profile, but they chose not to, making EVERYONE make a new account.

It would be reasonable to say that they don't want new players competing with every single active player, so the membership acts as a little barrier of entry for them. But making excuses about the lapsed players losing accounts... just seems disingenuous.


Nobody needs to abandon their existing accounts exactly like nobody needed to abandon their non-IM and non-GIM accounts to make GIM ones.

New players can't compete with a 21 year Average Joe like me anyway, with membership or not. Even if you think new players are more competitive with membership, anybody existing players can still get membership and be far more competitive than them.

Actually we need membership because free players aren't supposed to get any xp buff, perks and free cosmetics.

16-Aug-2022 00:38:29

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