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Roddy Piper
Jan Member 2011

Roddy Piper

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Jagex says they filmed their interviews with lapsed players, so they can provide some proof.

Those people said nothing about EOC? They said nothing about the interfaces? They said nothing about clue scroll puzzles, nothing about 1 hit deaths, nothing about item prices, bonds, mtx, minigames, nothing about anything.


All they said is they lost their account.

What happens when they try to do a quest and the GE is empty? Gotta go pick onions for 20 minutes.

These folks will be jumping overboard before they even get to a boss fight.

18-Aug-2022 17:44:20

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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Roddy Piper said :
Jagex says they filmed their interviews with lapsed players, so they can provide some proof.

Those people said nothing about EOC? They said nothing about the interfaces? They said nothing about clue scroll puzzles, nothing about 1 hit deaths, nothing about item prices, bonds, mtx, minigames, nothing about anything.


All they said is they lost their account.

What happens when they try to do a quest and the GE is empty? Gotta go pick onions for 20 minutes.

These folks will be jumping overboard before they even get to a boss fight.

RS3 and OSRS did surveys with massive number of lapsed players, not just "filmed" interviews with a couple of players they selected. Mods Kirean confirmed the basis of FSW in the OSRS Leadership Livestream just ended.

The FSW project has nothing to do with EoC, interfaces, and in the same respects nothing to do with other game modes like Leagues, 3PC, GE spam bots etc. They have surveys and actions planned for these topics separately.

Mods Markos and Kierean also reiterated what Mod Jack said: FSW is designed to focus on new and long left returning players, although it doesn't mean they don't care about existing players. All those interfaces, Leagues, 3PC, OSRS bots that affect existing players are not issues for new and long left players care and obviously so because they should have no idea on them.

Mod Kieran also added, they don't want every existing player to create new account to play FSW, although they can. Existing players with new accounts to play FSW is not the company's focus.

18-Aug-2022 18:09:52

Squirrlee
Jun Member 2021

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Dilbert2001 said :
Squirrlee said :
I think you misunderstood, or I didn't make clear on my exit and rejoining.

I left back when the GE was added. I returned when Mobile was launched. I think that qualifies as lapsed. I have been playing RS3 for a little over a year.

Edit: Adding

RS3 is already 10X easier than RS was back in the day. I couldn't believe how Fast skilling has become. Everything is auto complete not the click fest it used to be. Take bonfires for example, I couldn't understand at first that I didn't have to make lines of burning fires. Mining/woodcutting use to be tough because you had to compete with other players for the nodes.

Any "Lapsed" player would be shocked like I was how different the game is now.

You misunderstand. I don't mean you. I mean the lapsed users Jagex talked about are the ones who left long time ago, not the ones like you.

What do you mean ones like ME? What because I have rejoined, I'm not the type of player they are looking for?

What do you mean left long ago how far back is long ago in your opinion?

23-Aug-2022 17:50:19

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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Squirrlee said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Squirrlee said :
I think you misunderstood, or I didn't make clear on my exit and rejoining.

I left back when the GE was added. I returned when Mobile was launched. I think that qualifies as lapsed. I have been playing RS3 for a little over a year.

Edit: Adding

RS3 is already 10X easier than RS was back in the day. I couldn't believe how Fast skilling has become. Everything is auto complete not the click fest it used to be. Take bonfires for example, I couldn't understand at first that I didn't have to make lines of burning fires. Mining/woodcutting use to be tough because you had to compete with other players for the nodes.

Any "Lapsed" player would be shocked like I was how different the game is now.

You misunderstand. I don't mean you. I mean the lapsed users Jagex talked about are the ones who left long time ago, not the ones like you.

What do you mean ones like ME? What because I have rejoined, I'm not the type of player they are looking for?

What do you mean left long ago how far back is long ago in your opinion?

You are definitely not the kind of long lapsed players Jagex designed FSW for as Mod Markos told us the kind of players who come and go with other game modes like Lagues and DMM aren't the long lapsed players they meant.

We can see from the timelines of Leagues and DMM, they are looking for long lapsed players from at least before 2017.

If you go by what Ayiza said of FSW being aimed at those who don't currently play (OSRS) and don't have an existing account, it would mean those who haven't played at least since 2013.

https://cdn.runescape.com/assets/img/external/oldschool/2022/newsposts/2022-08-22/fws-qs.png

23-Aug-2022 18:36:09 - Last edited on 23-Aug-2022 19:28:20 by Dilbert2001

NecroVeno
Apr Member 2021

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Lapsed
/lapst/

adjective
no longer valid; expired.
"a lapsed insurance policy"
no longer following the rules and practices of a religion or doctrine; non-practising.
"a lapsed Catholic"

So first of all FSW is a competition for World's Firsts - The greatest feat of Runescape player to achieve certain goals before others. Not sure how lapsed this is.

The we are going to rewards - You need to do quests, skill levels and earn RunePoints to obtain certain rewards. That's not lapsed either.

Well gradually increased and then gradually decreased exp rate.
With a peak on 12 of December, where there is biggest increase of playerbase?

So Jagex just want to let existing players to compete - Check

Jagex wants to give x3 exp for people starting on Christmas Peak, without ruining game expereince for veterans - Check

Jagex forbids existing bot accounts for taking advantage from an event, and letting fresh and clean accounts with clean premium to join - Check

For most of You this is a cash grab and event with a price tag on it.
Because You feel like You deserve something better from a game that keeps releasing updates every single week - because you want Runescape to be Your way, not how it was meant to be - that's lapsed

23-Aug-2022 20:32:39

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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^^
If you think Jagex asking you to make a new account and pay for extra membership is "cash grab" you don't have to participate just like you don't need to participate in OSRS GIM and such. However, as Mods Markos and Kieran mentioned different updates have different cost and therefore prices/free, it is up to you to participate or not.

When long lapsed players who perhaps haven't played RS3 or don't even have an existing account asked for FSW this way, Jagex as a business listened.

23-Aug-2022 21:11:34

Heinzchen
Jan Member 2005

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I very much doubt that 20mil player asked for FSW-LOL. maybe 1000
Jagex is giving us a smoke screen here. I can see 2 reason for this event
1-cash grab with FOMO to entice membership
2- to pad the amount of member ship numbers artificially raise company value for the next sale

23-Aug-2022 21:57:14

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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Heinzchen said :
I very much doubt that 20mil player asked for FSW-LOL. maybe 1000
Jagex is giving us a smoke screen here. I can see 2 reason for this event
1-cash grab with FOMO to entice membership
2- to pad the amount of member ship numbers artificially raise company value for the next sale

How much will Jagex get from 1,000 players? Less than $100,000 in a year even if they all pay for 1 year of membership upfront with Premier Club.

Jagex has over 1.1 mil members as they last reported. How "big" is that 1,000 players out of 1.1 mil? Less than 0.1%. Go figure how much they would raise the company's value. :D

23-Aug-2022 22:03:32

Squirrlee
Jun Member 2021

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In my view this is not what was asked for. To me a Fresh Start World means you start in this "New World" and you continue in this world like it's a new game. I could see having the option to transfer over.

This FSW "event" with a time limit then being merged into the current game isn't what I would think was asked for. If all Lapsed players wanted was a "Fast Forward" one and done deal. I guess this would be what they asked for.

My return to RS in 2021 was an acceptance that this was not the game I left, and it wasn't going to be perfect. I had to look at it as a new game, and honestly it is in RS3 to me. I don't understand why this group of players are special to Jagex that warrants this special treatment.

25-Aug-2022 21:23:06

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