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Hguoh

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It doesn't matter if matter and energy are interchangeable. It doesn't say that anima is matter or energy.

The elder gods made the planet to produce their desired 'song' because, as the quote you posted says, matter tunes anima. It again says nothing about the planet being made of anima, only that the planet and everything on it tunes the anima in the vicinity to a particular 'song.'

To put it in a simpler way: I can tune a guitar, but that doesn't make me a guitar or make the guitar a human. Matter tunes anima, but that doesn't make matter anima or make anima matter.

I don't mean this to be insulting, but is English not your first language? Because you seem to be missing both me in other posts and some of the in game quotes I've seen you post.

06-Aug-2020 20:39:02 - Last edited on 06-Aug-2020 20:44:17 by Hguoh

Dilbert2001
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Hguoh said :
It doesn't matter if matter and energy are interchangeable. It doesn't say that anima is matter or energy.

The elder gods made the planet to produce their desired 'song' because, as the quote you posted says, matter tunes anima. It again says nothing about the planet being made of anima, only that the planet and everything on it tunes the anima in the vicinity to a particular 'song.'

To put it in a simpler way: I can tune a guitar, but that doesn't make me a guitar or make the guitar a human. Matter tunes anima, but that doesn't make matter anima or make anima matter.

I don't mean this to be insulting, but is English not your first language? Because you seem to be missing both me in other posts and some of the in game quotes I've seen you post.

Our planets don't come out of nowhere. Gielinor doesn't magically appeared. The Elder Gods created it, and they created it with anima. Anima gives different matters different forms (like rocks in Charos' example). Clearly anima is the energy form fits into the equation:

e = m c (square)

e = the anima
m = matter

This is a simple physics equation that and the foundation for the Theory of Relativity.

I don't mean this to be insulting, but have your studied physics in high school? Because you seem to be lacking the fundamental knowledge that junior high school students have on the simple Law of Conversation of Mass-Energy, or mass can neither be created nor destroyed except that they care interchangeable.

06-Aug-2020 21:22:57

Hguoh

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Anima is not energy. Energy still exists in Runescape. Anima is separate from energy, and through manipulation of it (See Charos' explanation of how spells work) we violate the very law of conservation of matter (earth and water spells) and energy (fire spells for thermal energy, and all combat spells for kinetic energy).

We already knew that anima was produced by living things, and now we know that the environment causes it to harmonize in certain ways.

I understand physics quite well and that's exactly why it's plainly clear that anima can't be energy or matter.

Lastly, we know the elder gods made planes out of sacred clay and seeded them with basic life using their magic.

06-Aug-2020 23:58:40

Dilbert2001
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Hguoh said :
Anima is not energy. Energy still exists in Runescape. Anima is separate from energy, and through manipulation of it (See Charos' explanation of how spells work) we violate the very law of conservation of matter (earth and water spells) and energy (fire spells for thermal energy, and all combat spells for kinetic energy).

We already knew that anima was produced by living things, and now we know that the environment causes it to harmonize in certain ways.

I understand physics quite well and that's exactly why it's plainly clear that anima can't be energy or matter.

Lastly, we know the elder gods made planes out of sacred clay and seeded them with basic life using their magic.

You are totally wrong again. There are different kinds of energies in Runescape. For instance, divine energies were discovered only years after RS3 but before that we could still row a boat without them. We have solar energy. We have wind energy. We have numerous forms of energies.

We also have different kinds of magics in Runescape too. Normal, Lunar and Ancient magics are the ones currently discovered. Elder magics may not even need runes too. Besides, you also misunderstand the usages of the spell runes. Earth and Water runes are no different than Fire runes. They are all MATTERS. Don't tell me just because it is a "fire" RUNE then it is not of form or we don't need solid rune essence to create them. Don't tell me a fire staff which is clearly a sold object can't be used to replace fire runes.

The RUNES themselves are matters and the casters use them as reagents to channel the anima energies for different magical purposes.

07-Aug-2020 01:41:41 - Last edited on 07-Aug-2020 01:50:44 by Dilbert2001

Hguoh

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I never said there weren't other energies in Runescape, just that anima isn't one.

And yes, runes are made of matter (specifically stone of Jas enhanced stone that has absorbed elemental power from a rune altar). That said, we already know that many races in Runescape can cast magic without runes and instead rely on their internal capacity for magic (there's even members of species they would typically rely on runes that have figured out how to do without them).

Now, Charos describes casting a spell as carefully manipulating anima in order to create certain resonances yo achieve a desired result. Notice that spell casting makes anima resonate a particular way. It does not convert the anima into something else (and it would need to if anima were energy and energy was conserved).

All that said, this is a pointless tangent as you are trying to apply conservation of energy and mass to a world with readily used and ever-present literal magic and literal gods (who we know don't use runes) in a desperate attempt to cover up the fact that Charos never said that anima was matter or energy. And the attempt to claim Charos said as much was an attempt to distract from the fact that you thought the underworld would be mostly shadow anima because of souls going there despite it being notably atypical for a soul to have shadow anima in or attached to it.

You do not get to invoke real world physics by default in a game world where we travel back and forth through time via a magic key that doesn't consume any resources to do so and does so without evidently accelerating us to near the speed of light (traveling forward in time thx to relativity) or beyond the speed of light (traveling backward in time thx to relativity).

07-Aug-2020 02:58:49 - Last edited on 07-Aug-2020 03:18:17 by Hguoh

Dilbert2001
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@Hguoh

You still haven't showed us a thing why anima is not energy.

You brought up runes and wrongfully claimed fire rune is energy and not matter and therefore it violates the law of conservation of mass-energy. Only that you made an U-turn in your last post and said fire rune is matter, not energy. Your elemental rune analogy means totally nothing now through your own correction. You have tried desperately but in vain to show anima is not energy.

I never said the Underworld is mostly shadow anima. It is just not totally made of matters and possibly the memories of the deceased carry shadow anima. How much shadow anima is there is a different story. Note that the Living World Gielinor is not said to be mostly anima either. Anima exists but it is definitely not mostly made of anima or else the Great Revisions will never be needed even once.

Travelling back in time or from one location to another using the enchanted key, a lodestone or a teleporter is not casting a spell. It does consume matters. It consumes the traveller from one time and/or one location and results in the creation of the re-composed traveller at a different time and/or location of the history. This is how Scotty beams us up and down the Enterprise all the time. Einstein still speaks volume there.

You have no prove with your puny naked eyes how fast light travel in Gielinor the same way you can't see Kirk and Spock travelling at the speed of light in Star Trek neither, but evidently all those who believe in Physics and watch Star Trek do believe it.

07-Aug-2020 04:09:52 - Last edited on 07-Aug-2020 04:25:21 by Dilbert2001

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