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Vengeance of
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Hguoh said :
Vengeance of said :
Lest we forget, Amascut turned from benevolent "Goddess of Rebirth" to "The Devourer" some time after visiting Freneskae and witnessing the Ritual of Rejuvenation. I get the feeling that we're going to be getting to the bottom of, or at least some major clues in regards to, that mystery (and why Icthlarin, who was also there, seemingly wasn't affected) sooner rather than later.

Amascut went up to the volcano where Mah was after the Ritual. Icthlarin stayed behind with the Mahjarrat. While the Mahjarrat prepared to leave, a great roar came from the volcano causing rocks to fall and the Mahjarrat to flee with Icthlarin and without Amascut.

Presumably, Amascut encountered Mah and her eventually dive into madness precipitated from said meeting.

Interesting. If souls have anima, maybe Amascut was turned as a way to slowly siphon anima from the world?

04-Aug-2020 17:00:18

Dilbert2001
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@Vengeance of

Apparently yes, souls contain shadow anima in the form of memories of matter, but not the matter itself, and the Underworld is probably formed of shadow anima instead of anima:

"My thesis is that this Underworld is formed not of matter, but of the memories of matter, of the detritus left behind by the souls that have passed on, like a snake shedding its skin. "
- The Magister's Journal 1

https://runescape.wiki/w/The_Magister%27s_Journal_1

The major difference between Amascut and Itchlarin is Amacut feasts on the corrupted souls and they made her corrupted and weak, but Itchlarin guards the souls and apparently gained their powers and at least certain immunity to corruption:

"There is one, Amascut, named now as the Devourer, who has left her mark on the very essence of the people here. A foul corruption has spread across their bodies and threatens their souls.

It is not a useful ailment. It damages the souls, leaves them weak, vulnerable, and ultimately unfit for my experiments. A pity. Fascinating, but ultimately problematic.

Another, more active, deity is the one I have encountered many times on my journey back to the Underworld: the dog-like Icthlarin.

An interesting sort, obsessed with guarding the souls on their journey to an afterlife. He seems burdened by an ancient guilt; perhaps that is why I feel a sense of kinship with him?

I wonder if he realises the sheer power at his disposal.

If he just wanted... If he just reached out and used the vast energy flowing through his domain on a constant basis, he could rival any of the other so-called gods."


https://runescape.wiki/w/The_Magister%27s_Journal_3

04-Aug-2020 18:21:22 - Last edited on 04-Aug-2020 18:26:14 by Dilbert2001

Hguoh

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Vengeance:

I'm personally hoping that Mah pulled a Zaros and ditched her body to hitch a ride in Amascut's (leaving her own body to act on instinct). The presence of the elder god's mind inside her head slowly driving Amascut mad.

Dilbert:

Charos makes it a point that our soul is special precisely because it had shadow anima stitched into it by Guthix. As it is a special case, the implication is that other souls don't typically contain shadow anima.

04-Aug-2020 18:37:42

Dilbert2001
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Hguoh said :
Vengeance:

I'm personally hoping that Mah pulled a Zaros and ditched her body to hitch a ride in Amascut's (leaving her own body to act on instinct). The presence of the elder god's mind inside her head slowly driving Amascut mad.

Dilbert:

Charos makes it a point that our soul is special precisely because it had shadow anima stitched into it by Guthix. As it is a special case, the implication is that other souls don't typically contain shadow anima.

So did The Magister say Itchlarin's soul is special because of the Underworld and he guards the souls. Note that "special" doesn't mean UNIQUE. The level 91 Black Stone Dragon is special too because of the shadow anima. It is certainly not unique, absolutely not.

You already forget the Black Stone Dragon also contain shadow anima, owing to Kerapac? Other souls can contain shadow anima incredibly obviously, not just the World Guardian.

04-Aug-2020 18:57:33 - Last edited on 04-Aug-2020 18:59:18 by Dilbert2001

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The point is that it is unusual. As in 'not common.' By necessity this means the Underworld and afterlives contain significantly more anima than shadow anima.

Also, the Magister never claimed Icthlarin's soul was special. Read your own quote for Guthix's sake.

05-Aug-2020 11:37:46

Dilbert2001
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Hguoh said :
The point is that it is unusual. As in 'not common.' By necessity this means the Underworld and afterlives contain significantly more anima than shadow anima.

Also, the Magister never claimed Icthlarin's soul was special. Read your own quote for Guthix's sake.

Totally not true. Anima ia MATTER as Charos told us in Desperate Measures. The Magister told us well before that the Underworld is formed NOT OF MATTER.

05-Aug-2020 16:26:46

Dilbert2001
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Hguoh said :
Considering I don't recall Charos ever saying Anima is matter, I'm gonna have to request that you actually provide said quote.

"CHAROS:Yes, well, before I get there let's talk a bit about magic, shall we? Magic, as you're aware, is the manipulation of anima in order to achieve fantastic results. In essence, the manipulation of anima lets us borrow from the power set out by the elder gods in order to re-order the universe. Anima is all around us. It is absorbed and...tuned by matter. With animals, plants and even rocks attuning things differently. The end result is a beautiful harmony of anima that improves everything around us. The sort of song that the elder gods created this very planet to achieve."


The "song that elder gods created very planet to achieve" is a Lord of the Rings reference to the Music of the Ainur which the Ainur (angelic beings) sang the anima into matters.

06-Aug-2020 17:30:09

Hguoh

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The quote you posted literally says anima is tuned by matter (the line itself strongly implies a distinction between anima and matter). It does not say anima is matter, nor does it say that anima was made into matter. Please try again.

06-Aug-2020 18:16:20

Dilbert2001
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Hguoh said :
The quote you posted literally says anima is tuned by matter (the line itself strongly implies a distinction between anima and matter). It does not say anima is matter, nor does it say that anima was made into matter. Please try again.

Not really as mass as energy are interconvertible as proven by Einstein and Higgs.

Charos also clearly said it is "the sort of song that the elder gods created this very planet to achieve". The elder gods created this very planet from anima. If you don't understand Physics, I am not going to try 9000 times. :)

06-Aug-2020 18:31:07

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