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Ian Adler
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Only read this if you have completed the
Desert Quest
Phite Club .

So during the Phite Club Quest Osman becomes Pharaoh, reuniting the line of Senliten (also called the
Chosen of Tumeken
) of with the throne of Menaphos - effectively achieving ones of the key aims of the entire Desert Quest series. Yet when talking with
Senliten
afterwards there is no post-Quest dialogue. Which is odd because she has such dialogue for Dealing With Scabaras , Do No Evil , Crocodile Tears , and lastly Our Man in the North in which she says "Osman knows he must come to see me before he can progress his plans any further. We shall get through to him."

Then during Phite Club Osman says "The proof of my lineage, along with information Senliten has provided me since my, ahem, exile, has been enough to secure a number of new allies on this side of the wall." Basically he is saying that he had that long-awaited conversation with Leela and Senliten and got the information, yet, again, there is no post-Quest dialogue in which this is acknowledged. Speak to Senliten and all that is available is the post-Quest dialogue from the previous Quests. This is a rather startling oversight and should be corrected (unless it is part of some surprise for the next Desert Quest in the series, of course.)

On that note, it is high time that the Desert Quest series be continued, as it is the last unfinished Fifth Age plotline and has several mysteries left to tie up. To start, did Leela and Senliten "get through" to Osman? Seeing how the former Spymaster dealt with the old Pharaoh, literally stabbing him in the back with a dagger after he peacefully yielded, I have some doubts.
Saradominist
World Guardian
emeritus
My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to
Tumeken
and the bloodline of Senliten.

15-Jul-2022 22:12:04 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2022 22:15:47 by Ian Adler

Ian Adler
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Ian Adler

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Furthermore the Phite Club ended with the revelation that Tumeken is in fact alive and that the Kharid-ib is "a remnant of Tumeken's essence." Indeed, the jewel glows and Tumeken briefly possesses Jabari and the two thralls to speak to Amascut - urging his daughter not to give in to her own anger and to stop her plans. Naturally the Devourer pays no heed, disavowing being Tumeken's daughter and swearing to continue her plans

The jewel's words infuriate her who denounces being Tumeken's daughter and refuses to listen to his warnings and swearing to continue her plans. Plans which seem to involve the Soul Altar, the Kharid-ib (which we still have get back), and Scabaras - the one member of the Children of Tumeken (Menaphite Pantheon) we have yet to meet and cleanse. In short and despite Osman's ascension, we are far from finished in the Desert.

Also, there remain two rather large mysteries that need answering. Why is the
Kharidian Desert
seemingly exempt from the
Edicts of Guthix
? Recall that this is a Fifth Age storyline, yet we deal no less directly with the Desert Deities than we did Saradomin and Zamorak before reestablishing the Edicts. Why? A question which ties into the next mystery: What is the history of Tumeken and
Elidinis
beyond that they arrived on Gielinor early in the Second Age and, according to legend, the met on the bank of the River Elid and married shortly thereafter? They are the only married deities we know of and their children - Icthlarin, Amascut, Scabaras, Apmeken, Crondis, and Het – are the only divinely born gods aside from Zaros and Seren. Is this why the Edicts did not affect them? Because they were born on Gielinor or because they are demigods


These questions need answering, these issues and loose ends resolved, so I propose a return to the
Desert Quest series
.
Saradominist
World Guardian
emeritus
My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to
Tumeken
and the bloodline of Senliten.

15-Jul-2022 22:14:53

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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The Zamorak Boss quest answered your question already.

Guthix Edicts only work on beings emitting certain kind of "divine energies". Desert gods, although also divine in nature, may emit a different kind of divine energies, perhaps of different wavelength and such? Guthix has no (or not enough) powers to interfere with different kinds of "divine" beings.

This may alao imply Tumeken might have come from different part of the multiverse that native gods around Gelinor may have no knowledge of.

16-Jul-2022 03:45:20

Pulseironic
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the desert gods were content to rule over the jungle that was their home. they had no desire to go beyond and take what others had. they were also native to the world, gods born of the power of the planet to birth the elder gods. hell they may due to that be relative to zaros and seren, dreams of Jas instead of dreams of Mah. either way, Guthix chose to let them stay since they proved to not want any part in the war that ravaged the planet.

16-Jul-2022 08:25:18

Ian Adler
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Ian Adler

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Dilbert2001 said :
The Zamorak Boss quest answered your question already.

Guthix Edicts only work on beings emitting certain kind of "divine energies". Desert gods, although also divine in nature, may emit a different kind of divine energies, perhaps of different wavelength and such? Guthix has no (or not enough) powers to interfere with different kinds of "divine" beings.

This may alao imply Tumeken might have come from different part of the multiverse that native gods around Gelinor may have no knowledge of.


Granted, but that was the least important matter. The bottom line is that the Desert series should be finished.
Saradominist
World Guardian
emeritus
My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to
Tumeken
and the bloodline of Senliten.

16-Jul-2022 14:25:00

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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Ian Adler said :
Dilbert2001 said :
The Zamorak Boss quest answered your question already.

Guthix Edicts only work on beings emitting certain kind of "divine energies". Desert gods, although also divine in nature, may emit a different kind of divine energies, perhaps of different wavelength and such? Guthix has no (or not enough) powers to interfere with different kinds of "divine" beings.

This may alao imply Tumeken might have come from different part of the multiverse that native gods around Gelinor may have no knowledge of.


Granted, but that was the least important matter. The bottom line is that the Desert series should be finished.


Finished? More like new stories of much bigger magnitude than the desert is starting rather. Xau-Tak and Erebus are far more important than the liveless desert.

16-Jul-2022 22:01:53

Ian Adler
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Ian Adler

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Dilbert2001 said :
Ian Adler said :
Dilbert2001 said :
The Zamorak Boss quest answered your question already.

Guthix Edicts only work on beings emitting certain kind of "divine energies". Desert gods, although also divine in nature, may emit a different kind of divine energies, perhaps of different wavelength and such? Guthix has no (or not enough) powers to interfere with different kinds of "divine" beings.

This may alao imply Tumeken might have come from different part of the multiverse that native gods around Gelinor may have no knowledge of.


Granted, but that was the least important matter. The bottom line is that the Desert series should be finished.


Finished? More like new stories of much bigger magnitude than the desert is starting rather. Xau-Tak and Erebus are far more important than the liveless desert.


Since when are quest-lines just abandoned? Believe me, I will be the first to cheer when new Xau-Tak and Erebus content comes out, but the Desert Quest series is one of the oldest in the game and deserves to be completed.
Saradominist
World Guardian
emeritus
My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to
Tumeken
and the bloodline of Senliten.

16-Jul-2022 22:44:16

Xalha
Nov Member 2023

Xalha

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Dilbert2001 said :
Ian Adler said :
Dilbert2001 said :
The Zamorak Boss quest answered your question already.

Guthix Edicts only work on beings emitting certain kind of "divine energies". Desert gods, although also divine in nature, may emit a different kind of divine energies, perhaps of different wavelength and such? Guthix has no (or not enough) powers to interfere with different kinds of "divine" beings.

This may alao imply Tumeken might have come from different part of the multiverse that native gods around Gelinor may have no knowledge of.


Granted, but that was the least important matter. The bottom line is that the Desert series should be finished.


Finished? More like new stories of much bigger magnitude than the desert is starting rather. Xau-Tak and Erebus are far more important than the liveless desert.


Jagex have stated several times that the goal after EGW is to bring the stakes of the story down, not up. The story in Legacy of Zamorak features a threat to people, not the world/universe like in EGW. An Erebus storyline would feature a threat to the entire universe.

Mod Jack on the RS discord also said the immediate rough story plan following Legacy of Zamorak is to focus on kingdoms, namely Misthalin, then Asgarnia. After that it's a choice between Kandarin, Morytania, the Desert, or Karamja (although Karamja is unlikely). We aren't going to see an Erebus storyline for years. An Erebus storyline is on the cards, but it's likely they have it pencilled in for several years down the line and it won't be touched on in the near future at all.

16-Jul-2022 22:46:17

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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^^
That's only for the next 6 months.

Don't tell us Civil Wars won't destroy Gielinor anyway.

Isn't Amascut (or the one controlling her actually) tring to destroy the world? So by your reasoning, we should not see continue such kind of story from the desert?

16-Jul-2022 23:39:54

Xalha
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Xalha

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Dilbert2001 said :
^^
That's only for the next 6 months.

Don't tell us Civil Wars won't destroy Gielinor anyway.

Isn't Amascut (or the one controlling her actually) tring to destroy the world? So by your reasoning, we should not see continue such kind of story from the desert?


No, that isn't "only for the next 6 months". I was present for the discussion. It's for the storylines that follow Legacy of Zamorak as Mod Jack clearly said it was a "rough plan". Legacy of Zamorak is fully planned out lmao. It's already 3/4 of the way through development.



We're getting Kingdoms after Legacy of Zamorak.

That isn't "my reasoning". Jagex have said multiple times the story stakes are going to be lowered after EGW. Perhaps me saying "world" was the wrong phrasing. They want to focus on smaller threats that aren't universal.







And perhaps most importantly confirming Erebus isn't coming soon:



The story plan isn't as fixed as people think it is - that's why Mod Jack said "rough" plan. They have the next year planned out in detail and then a 5-10 year plan in vague detail - this is why I said Erebus is "years away". Erebus will be a year of updates given the scope and as Legacy of Zamorak is Q3 and Q4 2022 and whatever Kingdoms for Misthalin and Asgarnia ends up called will be 2023, Erebus will be 2024 at the earliest.



I know this might not be what you wanted to hear, but it's important to clarify it as you shouldn't be shutting down other players simply for suggesting a Desert update over an Erebus update.

17-Jul-2022 01:48:00 - Last edited on 17-Jul-2022 01:48:48 by Xalha

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