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Dilbert2001
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You can plant just 1 herb seed as is now. Planting more seeds is just an option.

Same with the compose update. If you aren't doing compose now, you don't need to next week and onward.

Queen Mab's Moonstone relic will be as useful as it is now. Herbs will still be diseased next week without Queen Mab's Moonstone relic power.

You can always drink more than 1 juju farming potions. Juju farming potions actually will be even more buffed and in high demand. Really good news for skillers.

Be expected to have a lot of farmer and herblore friends to play with again in RS3 in a couple of days.

05-Nov-2022 21:17:13

Rikornak
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If seeds are worth way less than their respective herbs it obviously is a good idea to plant multiples of them. Also if you're an ironman who just got way too many of a certain kind - which easily enough can happen when you take alone a look at the arch glacor and its spirit weed seeds drops. If neither applies you still can (and obviously should if you intend to make bank) use the classical method. Also don't forget that bosses do no longer drop herbs at all (making them more valuable), instead dropping seeds (potentially dropping those values).

Not being forced to use buckets in order to collect compost is perfect reward space, it's not it would be a broken mechanic, that needs to be fixed globally. Obviously this part of the rant wouldn't have taken place if it wasn't offered as part of the update and only somewhen later...

Forgotten that herbs gotten diseased do not grow until cured in your rant? So how exactly is the moonstone useless?

Oh noes! The set with 11 passive effects and a ton of teleports now only has 10 passive effects and a ton of teleports, so it's obviously no longer worthwile to be obtained ... if you're thinking half a second you can create a much better setup than before if you're combining it with the relic - in Every. Other. Case. You do not lose anything if you're using the set without the relic and you'll still be in a much worse spot without having gained it in the first place - just a bit better than status quo.

I mean - some herb droppers aren't touched at all and thus will be more valuable than before. And it's not said the others will hurt, when individual herbs will be more valuable.

... Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

06-Nov-2022 06:38:56 - Last edited on 06-Nov-2022 06:42:38 by Rikornak

Rikornak
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Okay let's be real. They did a full mechanical rework to a lot of things, that suck about farming and made farming the place intended to get your herbs. I really do not have an issue when you can get herbs from PvM, but it's so insanely obvious how it outshone the skill actually intended to get those things - so they fixed it by not just nerfing the droppers, but also by buffing the skill in multiple fashions - both by default and by reward space.

Likewise thieving - pickpocketing without auto pickpocketing sucks. That had to be fixed. The elite outfit still is insanely powerful compared to a lot of other elite outfits - just take a look at the mining one alone for that matter. And maybe you won't even go out uncompensated at all - perfectly could be you'll get a teleport to the new pickpocketing targets. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

06-Nov-2022 06:42:24 - Last edited on 06-Nov-2022 07:22:02 by Rikornak

Carol Trees
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Making ingredients for skilling more expensive hurts skillers.

Explaining over and over that I wont be able to afford juju potions anymore makes it sound like a nightmare. Really good news for merchers maybe.

I love the changes to thieving, but want to see the farming changes before I am confident.

06-Nov-2022 06:50:30 - Last edited on 06-Nov-2022 06:52:26 by Carol Trees

Rikornak
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Carol Trees said :
Making ingredients for skilling more expensive hurts skillers.


Explaining over an over that I wont be able to afford juju potions anymore makes it sound like a nightmare. Really good news for merchers maybe.


So skilling is to be for those who boss or the leaches who merch?

They also plan to make skillers pay for the death cost of those who can afford to boss. Flat tax is never going opt help the poor in any universe.

What exactly changed for you? You said you don't boss - so you're obviously locked out from the main source of herbs right now. If you're just growing herbs (with bought seeds) for a bit you obviously can make more money than before.

And juju potions literally are not directly affected at all, since well - they (or any reagent to make them) do not drop in any PvM scenario. Or do you just panic, since more players than before could be growing their own herbs? Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

06-Nov-2022 06:55:27 - Last edited on 06-Nov-2022 06:56:00 by Rikornak

Rooo
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If the 'example' of the number of herbs received per seed is stet then this really sucks. Currently I get about 14-30 herbs per seed, so to get 6 with ultracompost is a huge benefit downgrade. Still herb prices will go through the roof.

Also, if the supreme growth potions are going to be druid currency tradeable, what happens to the POF beans, are they being removed from the farmers market.

Once again Jagex causing massive disruption to the ingame economy

Just like smithing, a badly thought out update which gives almost no XP which is why everyone does seren stones and proteans. Jagex have proved once again that they have zero common sense when it comes to changing the game.

06-Nov-2022 10:16:03

Dilbert2001
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Rooo said :
If the 'example' of the number of herbs received per seed is stet then this really sucks. Currently I get about 14-30 herbs per seed, so to get 6 with ultracompost is a huge benefit downgrade. Still herb prices will go through the roof.

Also, if the supreme growth potions are going to be druid currency tradeable, what happens to the POF beans, are they being removed from the farmers market.

Once again Jagex causing massive disruption to the ingame economy

Just like smithing, a badly thought out update which gives almost no XP which is why everyone does seren stones and proteans. Jagex have proved once again that they have zero common sense when it comes to changing the game.

Our play time is not unlimited. There are only a number of herb runs we can make no matter what.

Let's say we have 6 hours to play RS3. We can only harvest patches every 75 minutes. It means we can make 4 herb runs a day. Suppose we get an average of 20 herbs per patch now, we get 80 herbs per patch daily.

Staring next week, herb harvest cycle is shortened to 60 minutes. It means we can make 6 herb runs a day. Since we can plant 10 seeds per patch per run, we can harvest 60 herbs an hour per patch. When the day is over, we harvest 360 herbs, far more than now.

06-Nov-2022 14:57:28

Rikornak
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Rikornak said :
Oh noes! The set with 11 passive effects and a ton of teleports now only has 10 passive effects and a ton of teleports, so it's obviously no longer worthwile to be obtained ... if you're thinking half a second you can create a much better setup than before if you're combining it with the relic - in Every. Other. Case. You do not lose anything if you're using the set without the relic and you'll still be in a much worse spot without having gained it in the first place - just a bit better than status quo.

That one obviously was wrong in retrospec - everyone had won with that update, since even with the outfit and without the relic you now have an infinite auto pickpocket rather than just 10 times in a row. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

08-Nov-2022 06:42:27

Pachuli714
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The only real reason I can see for this update is for the wealthiest of players to create even more alt accounts so they can hoard seeds and herbs by doing around the clock herb runs and controlling the market.

08-Nov-2022 14:47:05 - Last edited on 08-Nov-2022 14:47:34 by Pachuli714

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