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Miu

Miu

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Knowing the volume of useless cosmetics being traded or not isn't going to make or break someone with a gambling addiction. Bonds are hidden because they are all directly sourced from real money and thus could provide insight into Jagex's finances.

There's no difference between an Assassin Walk sourced from one guy who got lucky with a few daily TH keys vs someone who's spent thousands of dollars on keys, so the volume of Assassin Walks being traded would correlate with keys being used, but not necessarily the amount of keys being bought.

You erroneously assume that the bond volume is being hidden for the sake of the players, when it's not so.
You erroneously assume that someone with a gambling addiction would have their plans dashed away if they can't see the volume of TH items. You could make them untradeable and there are still people that would """gamble""" for them.

No support.
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20-Jun-2023 15:16:25

Dilbert2001
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Elion Z said :
Wish I had a soul dye :)

Soul dyes are not expensive actually. They are just a few hundred millions gp each, quite similar to Aurora dyes. Vast majority of players, including new ones should be able to buy one if they value fashionscape.

20-Jun-2023 16:37:26 - Last edited on 20-Jun-2023 16:37:57 by Dilbert2001

Elion Z

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Miu said :
There's no difference between an Assassin Walk sourced from one guy who got lucky with a few daily TH keys vs someone who's spent thousands of dollars on keys, so the volume of Assassin Walks being traded would correlate with keys being used, but not necessarily the amount of keys being bought.

There are enough data points to work it out.

Right now the volume of soul dyes being sold needs to be hidden. Like you said, people who get lucky by skilling are getting these too. Each dye may not be 1b, but they cost a ton. Its like a lottery stimulus. Every non-rare/non-TH item worth 1b+ is facing rapid deflation.

Its June 21, so this is running alongside 3 expensive combat scrolls from Academy of Heroes. People are buying more and more keys and Bonds, because of predatory FOMO tactics.

It will get even worse on June 22 when they do the Shadow Gem promo. People who play to do clue scrolls/PVM are seeing their big drops hit by deflation. It will only get worse as TH Keys and Bonds stay stable.

21-Jun-2023 15:27:09

Miu

Miu

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Before you can claim that the volume of items being traded needs to be hidden, you need to actually convince someone that there is some kind of correlation between the publishing of volume and increased TH spending.

If there was some such evidence that publishing volume led to increased TH spending by habitual gamblers, then there wouldn't really be any incentive for Jagex to hide the volume. They have a financial incentive not to.

Besides, the actual VALUE of the item is a much bigger incentive than the volume. Who cares how many are in circulation if the price is hundreds of million! Surely you must be against publishing the item's price as well!

Pursuing a tenuous, unsupported link between being transparent about the number of an item being traded and "gambling" is fruitless.

We both know that the root of the issue is not transparency, but TH itself.
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21-Jun-2023 16:14:24

Elion Z

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Miu said :
Pursuing a tenuous, unsupported link between being transparent about the number of an item being traded and "gambling" is fruitless.

We both know that the root of the issue is not transparency, but TH itself.

That is true. I am glad the Shadow Gem promo is coming back. Its one of the ones free players can try their luck cycling alts

21-Jun-2023 16:55:53

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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Trade volume of items are ignored by vast majority of RS3 players because we know we, meaning all of us players and not Jagex, dictate their prices.

There is one good point that we now know the actual trade volumes of high value cosmetics though, although it won't have a thing to do with the actual economy. The really low trade volumes of tens or hundreds of such items per day, comparing to millions and tens of millions of trades of the resources that drive the economy, clearly busted all the nonsense a few activists have been trying so hard to delude us into thinking the RS3 economy is just about a few players manipulating a few items. :)

21-Jun-2023 17:04:01

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