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Lisaa
Jun Member 2014

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So I was looking through the Flag A Concern thread, and there was something that stood out for some reason.

Mod Drebin said :
Thread Purpose Summary
YES!

Significant issues within your Clan that you feel unable to deal with yourself
Significant issues with other Clans that you have been unable to resolve
Issues relating to the Clan Leader Forums themselves

NO

Reporting minor internal Clan issues (eg: politics/arguments)
Reporting minor inter-Clan issues (eg: arguments/grudges/petty behaviour)
Time-sensitive emergencies (eg: account security/player safety concerns)

The boldfaced parts are a bit confusion for me. It sounds like a pretty "cut and dry" situation, but.....

1) At what point does a "minor internal Clan issue" turn into a "Significant issues within your Clan that you feel unable to deal with yourself"

And....

2) At what point does a "minor inter-Clan issue" turn into "Significant issues with other Clans that you have been unable to resolve."

For example, another clan has been harassing ours because they're upset with our clan leader's decision as an admin on a fansite, so they've been trying to harass us. Would this be deemed petty, and thus not eligible to report in Flag A Concern? If so, at what point would it be appropriate? In other words, "What line would they have to cross in order for a report to Flag A Concern be deemed appropriate?"

I understand that as of now, my example/situation is probably considered a petty squabble, but the line between "minor inter-clan" and "significant inter-clan" feels really blurred. Yes, this case could be seen as a petty squabble, but you could also argue that we've been unable to resolve it due to their behavior.

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09-Mar-2016 03:13:48

Lisaa
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This isn't so much of me wanting help with our issue (Otherwise, I would have immediately reported it) so much as it is asking for clarification on what "lines" have to be crossed in order to result in Jmod intervention. What seems like a significant issue to one person may look like a petty squabble, while a petty squabble to someone else might look like a significant issue. @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
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09-Mar-2016 03:13:53 - Last edited on 09-Mar-2016 03:15:46 by Lisaa

Mod Maz

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I'm no expert on these things (I'm just a dev) but I suspect there isn't so much a line as a fuzzy border. It will depend on context, it will depend on numbers of people, it will depend on the severity of the incidents reported etc etc etc... Just like in law when things are deemed "appropriate" or not.

A nice example is this:
If I walked up to you in the street and threw something at you, that would be completely inappropriate and probably deemed assault in some way.
However it's perfectly acceptable for me to throw rice/confetti at you on your wedding day.
Same act, different context.

This is why we can't have specific rules, context matters. Mod Maz
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09-Mar-2016 07:42:16

Calm Enigma

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Mod Maz said :
A nice example is this:
If I walked up to you in the street and threw something at you, that would be completely inappropriate and probably deemed assault in some way.
However it's perfectly acceptable for me to throw rice/confetti at you on your wedding day.
Same act, different context.

How about if one were to chuck acorns?


Anyhoos, back on topic, the way I generally interpret the fuzzy guidelines is that they have to be serious issues which cannot be be amended by the tools or skills of a clan leader. e.g. a dispute between clans resulting in crashing isn't a particularly serious issue could be resolved by diplomacy between leaders. Trying to think of an example where a post of FaC would be warranted but can't come up with one for now >.< -
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09-Mar-2016 17:59:50

Esploratore
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An example of crossing the blurry border where a post on FaC is warranted would be when one group is so intent on making another group miserable that they would spend all their time in the game for that purpose.

A recent issue that comes to mind immediately is the trolls who stood around Soul Wars for five or six hours, waiting to torment a clan at their scheduled event.

09-Mar-2016 18:28:06

Warlock
Jan Member 2005

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I'd focus on the latter half - issues that you have been unable to resolve yourself.

If you don't feel able to deal with the issue, report it in the Flag a Concern thread, if you do, resolve it yourself.

Basically, if something gets out of hand, use the thread; if it's all under control, there's no need to post there.

11-Mar-2016 18:37:26

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