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Leader Rob

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Clan Ban

So my idea came to me after i had some trouble dealing with a rebellion that happened to my clan on old school runescape.

So i will explain the situation briefly as it explains the source of the idea, so around three weeks ago, one of my clan staff decided he had a problem with authority when i would not implement a suggestion he requested cause i felt it wasn't in the best interest of my clan, he quit and took six members with him.

So i removed their access from the chat as they had left on bad terms, one of my co leaders requested i allow him back in as he may have quit in anger and may come to his senses, so i did and a day later i had lost 3/4 of my clan as he decided to start a new clan, with my current community.

I had to take evasive action and started mass recruiting, we did good and got a good 15 members in one day, next day i wake up to find two of the old community members who left in my cc and they were attempting to recruit my new recruits.

So i banned the members, it was then replaced by other members from that clan idling in my clan chat (i later found out they had resorted to pming the members) so i decided to add the whole clan to the ban list, but as i don't know all their members it got me thinking that it would be useful on RS3 as i am pretty sure this cannot be implemented on OSRS until a clan system is created for that game but basically banning by category, in this case clans.

Do you think it would be a useful feature you have banning by

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31-Dec-2015 00:22:47

Subzero

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I believe this feature has been discussed in the past, and that it was generally agreed that this sort of feature would have an effect similar to segregation, and cause more problems than solutions.

It is most easily broken in the case of, where a Clan you have banned does in fact have clanmates who are on good terms with you, and they want to join the clan as a Guest. This would require additional, white-listing features.

You should have enough tools already in RuneScape 3 to moderate access to the clan itself. Ban those causing trouble - I think you can fit at least 100 on the Clan ban list and that should be more than enough.
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31-Dec-2015 04:38:43

Leader Rob

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Alexanderke said :
i agree with subzero but if 3/4 of your clan immediatly follows them, there's something wrong imo.

Can't make those assumptions, A lot of them said they wanted to stick with the community they know and it is nothing against me or the clan.

Just a shame there are a few bad apples. Creator of the Clan Leader Discord & Clan Discord
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31-Dec-2015 11:30:28

Lisaa
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Leader Rob said :
Alexanderke said :
i agree with subzero but if 3/4 of your clan immediatly follows them, there's something wrong imo.

Can't make those assumptions, A lot of them said they wanted to stick with the community they know and it is nothing against me or the clan.

I agree with Rob, you can't make those assumptions. A while back, we lost several long time members because someone who "ragequit" began making up rumors and lies about myself and our leader.

Rob, I genuinely feel your pain with circumstances like these. It's a shame that someone would go to such lengths to sabotage your clan over a disagreement, especially when your clan has been a peaceful community for so long.
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As far as the suggestion goes, I do believe there should be some way for clans to be warned ahead of time if someone has caused problems in other clans, but it would get very hard to track/moderate this, and it could end up looking like "List of scammers," where it's one player's word against another's. I don't think this is something Jagex themselves should enforce, but if someone offsite were to create a fair system for it, then I'd fully support it. @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
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31-Dec-2015 13:44:31 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2015 13:47:11 by Lisaa

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This seems like a very typical Clan issue TBH; people just like causing drama I suppose.


I sympathise with both Rob & Lisaa, as we too have had a very similar problem, where an ex-Owner disagreed with a new system we were trying to implement (a system that was going to ensure all Admin+ members pulled their own weight equally, nothing drastic Guthix forbid *rolls eyes*)

But we were incredibly lucky that the ex-Owner wasn't that popular and our members are very loyal to our community, so very few members left.

Regardless of this, we had to ban-list the ex-Owner and all that left, as it very quickly got to the point where they were coming into our CCs when we were offline and encouraging other members to leave with them; then even stooping as low as to PM specific higher Ranked members to join them.
We're very fortunate our members sent screen shots of this pathetic act so we were able to nip it in the bud quickly by banning them.

Suppose what made it worse was the ex-Owner also stole all our community systems as well as trying to steal members as they felt entitled to them; which couldn't be further from the truth.


So yes, I do get the frustration and suggestion of a Clan Ban.
It would be nice for us to keep our Guest Chats open constantly without having the thought of another Clan coming in to troll.


To Lisaas point about "List of Scammers", I think it would be good to see what Clan a member was in previously to yours; can maybe enquire as to why they left, whether on good terms or bad. Proud Owner of the
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31-Dec-2015 17:02:32

Seer of War

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I think all clans deal with this at some point. Inevitably there will be members that choose to see negatives while ignoring positive aspects of a community.

While I fully support the rights of players to choose their community - there will be some players that attempt to ruin the community they left behind.

We had a co-owner leave and form his own clan, and tried to use the excuse of "pming friends" to join when in reality they were pming members of our clan in an attempt to hurt our community. Yes we banned them, and yes they made alternate accounts to spy and continue to harass our members.

The good news is that clans founded on this concept typically do not survive. However, it can be unnecessarily stressful while dealing with this issue.

To counter the alternate accounts it would be useful to have the ability to only allow members only guests - or perhaps even guests that have a minimum total level / combat level.

As for the initial suggestion, banning an entire clan's members would be a lot easier than banning multiple individuals and therefore taking up significant ban list space.

Ultimately I favor anything that makes running a clan easier. Unfortunately part of running a clean means dealing with unhappy members - and potentially dealing with rebellions such as this. The bottom line is that the tools we have now can be effective, but requires a lot more attention / ban list space than being able to filter who may guest.

Guest filtering is something that needs to be addressed and would allow clans more flexibility based on their specific situations and needs. I fully support guest filtering options based on total levels, combat levels, membership status, clan status, and other factors that could be toggled.
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01-Jan-2016 01:55:17

PvMe Chuck

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As for the "list of scammers" there are several clans that have shared banlists. As long as there is definite proof the player can be added. Pretty simple to track via runeclan user profiles + spreadsheets lol.
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01-Jan-2016 07:57:33

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That's actually a very good idea,

we got some spitefull / grudgy people in other clans rallying their clannies to act like idiots in our cc...

This would help so much, instead of adding them all on the banlist separate.

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