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Pescao6
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Part 1: Memberlists

I personally miss RuneHead. My PVP Clan used 2 Memberlists back in the olden days - the main one for the clan and a secondary one for future applicants, retired members, inactive members, and clan friends. I was also listed on a few other RuneHead Memberlists of clans of other types like Pest Control, Skilling, PVM as well as some PVP Teams.

The release of Clan Chats in RS3 isolated players to one clan. This was great so that people could identify your main clan, but it created a problem because clans of different types could not list their members. Many clans merged and others expanded. Some still use Friends Chats today instead of using Clan Chats. But here's the problem...

If you want to be a member of clans of different types, where can you get listed? If you wanted to rank for example people who guest on your RS3 CC as a Clan Friend, we don't have that option in-game. RuneHead is gone and so is RSClanBase. Does anyone know of any third party websites where you can create an RS3 Memberlist?

In OSRS, there are 3 sites I've found where you can list your clan or your team:
- 2007Clans.com
- CrystalMathLabs.com
- TempleOSRS.com
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12-May-2020 20:46:55

Pescao6
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Part 2: Double Clanning

I just wanted to open a discussion on double clanning.

a) Meaning: The meaning on the term 'double clanning' has changed over the years. It used to be that you could only be on a clan of a certain type, then it switched to you could be a member of a clan but also on teams, then it switched to being only in one clan chat but it's impossible to tell if you're on friends chats, group chats, Discord or TeamSpeak servers. Are those even considered clans? By definition, a clan is a group of players who plays together. It doesn't really matter what chat you use for your clan.

b) Opinions: Most people frown upon double clanning. Everyone wants their members to chat on their clan chat, but because it's so easy for anyone to open a group chat nowdays often times the main clan chat gets ignored, voice channels on Discord are empty even though there are hundreds of people online, etc.

c) Discussion: Do you allow guests on your clan chat or Discord? If so, why or why not? And do you consider guests to be clan friends or would you not even want to rank them on a memberlist even if they would love to spend a significant of time with members of your clan like your most active members while still belonging to another clan?
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12-May-2020 20:47:03 - Last edited on 14-May-2020 20:19:05 by Pescao6

Kentt
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Pescao6 said :
Opinions: Most people frown upon double clanning. Everyone wants their members to chat on their clan chat
This part in particular (I feel) calls back to more archaic times of Clanning in RuneScape. Although it's true that different types of clans existed, many also attempted to be the "jack of all trades," combing pvp, pvm, social, and skilling under one roof. Clan leaders also wanted/expected their members to commit their loyalty solely to their clan, which is also why back in the day you would've seen sometimes ridiculous rules like "you can't be in a different clan from ours on your alt."

Community has changed radically from back then. Clans are more dedicated to specific objectives (like pvm), and as a result they don't advertise themselves as being about "everything." A PvM clan is going to kill bosses, and won't (typically) waste their time on non-combat skilling competitions. Likewise a PvP clan isn't going to leave their Wilderness stomping grounds to go kill Vorago.

Yet....players want more than just one "thing." Someone may be rugged in Clan Wars, but then want to kick back and chill with clannies in Lumbridge. A skiller may want a break from their goals to go muck about doing something else. While clans specializing in particular playstyles, this forced the player to join a clan for the playstyle they value most, and then look elsewhere to satisfy other needs. Obviously with technical limitations locking players into only one clan, this makes things difficult.

If multiclanning were possible, it would solve a lot of issues. Competition between clans would go way down, as would recruiting rivalries and member poaching. Clans could probably collaborate more this way if they shared members.
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13-May-2020 01:49:42

Pescao6
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Kentt said :
A PvM clan is going to kill bosses, and won't (typically) waste their time on non-combat skilling competitions. Likewise a PvP clan isn't going to leave their Wilderness stomping grounds to go kill Vorago.
I think the whole PVP vs PVM clans discussion began around the release of Citadels because PVP Clans wanted members for Rated Clan Wars and PVM Clans wanted members for Citadel.

Writing this message, I wondered if there were even any PVP - Warring Clans still alive in RuneScape 3. To my surprise, I found an underground of people doing F2P Legacy Clan Wars. This isn't what I was expecting because I would love to challenge some of the big clans just for the fun of saying we killed X Clan or X Clan destroyed us, but at least it's a start to try to rebuild the RS3 PVP Community.
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Kentt said :
If multiclanning were possible, it would solve a lot of issues.
Yeah, I don't see myself rebuilding the RS3 Clan Chat unless Jagex did an update that allowed multi-clanning. My members spread out to around 40 different ones and I would rather have them stay on their PVM RS3 Clan Chat, guest join my RS3 Clan Chat and join my Friends Chat.
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15-May-2020 17:10:00 - Last edited on 17-May-2020 05:54:40 by Pescao6

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Pescao6 said :
I think the whole PVP vs PVM clans discussion began around the release of Citadels because PVP Clans wanted members for Rated Clan Wars and PVM Clans wanted members for Citadel.

Most PvP clans didn't do Rated Clan Wars anyway because the maps and mechanics are much worse than in regular Clan Wars. The only problem was that the Clan Cup was held in either Rated Clan Wars, or they added Clan Chat only rules. As most of my clan members were in PvM and skilling clans for their daily activities, it just resulted in a lot of extra work just to make sure every member would have an account to fight on. Then there was also the issue that there were only a handful of clans to fight outside of the clan cup, and one of them would refuse to fight my clan because we allowed multiclanning. After fighting the same clan week after week for months, and Jagex' updates making PvP even worse, we left RS3 and I don't see us returning. I just hope they don't add the Clan System to OSRS, because it was mostly just a burden and didn't make leading a clan easier at all.
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22-May-2020 12:39:24

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Fire Hawk154 said :
I just hope they don't add the Clan System to OSRS, because it was mostly just a burden and didn't make leading a clan easier at all.
They're planning something as announced on RuneFest - 05 October 2019 . I read that and I was like... oh dear, here we go again same clan system as RS3 has with a few minor tweaks.

I just hope a JMod reads this thread before they push the go-ahead to implement that update because knowing Jagex they'll probably release it without beta testing it and getting feedback from Clan Leaders before it's added to OSRS.
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28-May-2020 03:14:32

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Our clan is listed as a social skilling clan, we do have a few that do some bossing , but 98% of clan activity is social chat while skilling. We have been a clan since 2008 and it has worked well for us. We have found that if ppl join and then get involved with bossing it removes ppl from cc that tag along, and usually they end up leaving to join a bossing clan. We really strive to be a no drama clan so we make sure ppl understand before joining that we are social & skilling. That seems to prevent problems down the road. as for guests in cc we welcome ppl to visit for up to a week then they either join or look elsewhere. We do get ppl every so often that get bored with their clan and just want to hang out in our cc, but when we ask them if they want to join our clan it's a big no. So as we have a no double clanning policy we have to ask them to leave. Also clan member friends can guest every so often. We do have discord that usually works well for those that do do bossing. Double clanning may work well for some ppl and clans but we have found that it doesn't for us.

01-Jul-2020 02:30:26

Mr Rey Ray
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We used runehead for our Pest Control clan, providing 24/7 worlds back in the day.

Clans of today are more of a chilling hub, the game has changed, and so have players.

PVP clans are still fun on OSRS, When OSRS clans hit, and they implement the KC/DR we will all see, which clan is the most dominant on the OSRS servers.
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08-Jul-2020 13:24:29

Pescao6
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Mr Rey Ray said :
PVP clans are still fun on OSRS, When OSRS clans hit, and they implement the KC/DR we will all see, which clan is the most dominant on the OSRS servers.
Meh, I think most people stopped caring about ranking. After everything that happened with the Zybez, RuneHQ, and Tip.it Ranking Lists - clans who didn't want to fight, conflicts about time zones, etc.

Some clans prefer to fight on the Wilderness where I've heard some player-killing run-ins have lasted for 3 days and stuff like that; others prefer to do Clan Wars. Recently, I've seen a lot of the Wilderness Clans doing No Overheads Clan Wars which is different to the typical Full Out Knockout or 25/50/100 Kills Clan Wars we do with everything allowed. Some clans like doing Matched Wars; we don't like doing those because IL has a bunch of low levels and we don't like telling people they can't participate because they're not strong enough. We want to encourage people to learn PVP and enjoy both winning PVP for the pride of their clans as well as losing PVP to get motivated to train their combat levels and get better gear for next time.

Kill Death Ratios also don't mean anything in PVP. You can die 50 times on a 100 Kills Clan Wars, and if your clan wins in the end you're still part of the most dominant clan. Same goes for the Wilderness. You can die a bunch of times, but if you're returning and you don't care about losing gp but you want to make sure your clan wins at the end you'll keep fighting until you clear them.
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13-Jul-2020 14:09:21

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The only thing I'd really want if they added some kind of Clans Database system is an option to filter and find out if clans are warring on the wilderness and warring on clan wars. A simple
War Alert On/Off
like we have the Recruiting On/Off thing is enough. Some kind of thing that updates it automatically. Like if a clan hasn't recruited anyone recently, turn off recruiting so people know that clan is inactive. If a clan isn't getting kills, turn off their war alert and do some kind of game notification letting the Owners of the clan it's been turned off when they join the game in case they want to manually turn it on again.

You look at the RS3 Clans and you can't even tell if those clans are dead or alive. I'm just glad that we have access to an API which allowed RuneClan to track how many of a clan's members are gaining xp so you can find out if clan members are still playing. But they should really move most of the exising clans in the database to some kind of cementery for dead clans or some kind of system to find out recent xp gains, boss kills, pvp kills, etc. or better yet just improve the Clans API or HiScores API so that developers within clans can write their own scripts.
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