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Jigzag
Jul Member 2013

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Does anyone else have a problem with their clannies being confused or some similar disconnect in communication about released clan updates?

I know clan leaders ask for updates frequently on behalf of their clan and we tend to have some insight on why we are asking or receiving what we are as a clan, but the clannies themselves seem very uninformed even when they have it explained to them over and over because a lot of them like to look up their own information on any updates and there isn't very much. In my clan, when an update comes out they spend a lot of time asking why it was changed/updated or are misinformed about accurate information regarding the updates by confusing each other debating them due to lack of released open typed out information and hear say descriptions. Since the updates are pretty much tossed on them, hey spend less time being excited about it, trying to figure them out, when they really should be enjoying them because IT IS EXCITING!

Part of what I see is... we can't share what is going on in CLF (understandable) and these updates aren't always being talked about in an area everyone in the game can read the details themselves until release time, when it is just sprung onto them. Also the updates aren't always explained why it was done so they can see the big picture, since it is typically assumed they should understand why.

Are other clans having similar problems of disconnect?
Is there maybe a method for announcing updates we can change to better inform our clannies and the game community as a whole or better yet allow them to inform themselves? /\
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17-Dec-2017 05:48:44

Lyrehca

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I don't have a problem with it, but then again, I have a smaller clan and I often make a post in our own Discord, explaining what the latest update means to us and a little of the background that went into it.

This allows members to ask questions which can't be answered very easily in the short space available on a game text line.

One possibility we could look at is to make a post on the Clan Central forums each time an update has been implemented involving clans, explaining the update more fully, including benefits and a little of the background for the reason behind the update.

Clan Central is available to everyone, and seems like a centralized place for all clan members to check out. I suggest this as opposed to Recent Updates as a thread explaining a recent update to clans is less likely to get lost among all the other update discussions happening.

It's just a suggestion off the top of my head. Not sure if others have something better to offer, but I'm willing to look at other possibilities to get the word out so confusion is lessened.

17-Dec-2017 06:19:23 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2017 19:38:28 by Lyrehca

Ninmci

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We have been talking about clan updates for as long as clans have existed .

But anything spoken within these walls stays within these walls.

I want everyone in game to be in a clan i think its the best way to learn.

Its great that shauny leaked his avatar / ort reworks a few days before they was implemented into the game.

But we as a group have been talking abount clan permission s since the Clan chat was put into game and we found out that .

The very basic ability of a friends chat mute . wasn't available in clan chat . So should this topic be discussed for 6 years as openly in the main clan forums . As it has been in these clan leaders forums .


Personally i think we might of had the problem s we have as clan leaders sorted out long long ago if as clan leaders we had the ability to talk on reddit and twitter .. discord

Many Good Clans of less than 50 members have been shut out of clan leaders forums .
and any topic spoken about in them.

Many dont care. Some do . Many large warning clans hit that magic 50 members in 6 months get clf and a year later die. or fall below the 50 members .

Many smaller tightly nit communities never get access

We as clan leaders have been enticed into the clf expecting to have a voice and sometimes we have achieved many things .

But often i feel as if some of the best community members have been shutup in the citadels darkest prisons unable to talk or sent away as outcasts .

Im over 60 and even before citadel release i had over 200 members yet i was told on my 1st application to clf that i was immature .. and to come back later.

So was the clf only for elitist waring clans only . So they can get a world dominating T7 citadel .

I hope that we have moved on from the world domination era of everyone running around wildy in green or gold capes.

Im over 60 i love mining and fishing . i dont want to be the biggest waring clan i just want a voice .
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17-Dec-2017 18:53:17 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2017 19:57:35 by Ninmci

Ninmci

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And im sure we have a lot more clan leader s outside the clf that have been leaders of a clan for 1 to or 3 years.

That have no control of what jagex put into game

Because they only want a small clan

We as clan leaders have been told we are only a small part of the game.

Jagex doesn't want to force people into clans. thats fine .

Nothing in my clan is mandatory .
But i think the ability to understand about clans should be in tutorial .

the ability to work forums should be in tutorial

The ability to talk and discuss everything clan related should be available for open discussion.

And not a small minority of a small minority locked up in a 2 or 3 prison cells


We need a clan community hype train with an open roof so the whole game can participate
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17-Dec-2017 18:57:15 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2017 19:21:59 by Ninmci

Macka
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My clannies have never been confused or saw any concerns with any clan updates. We all just welcome it and take it as it comes really.

We can't speak of it until JMod posts about it outside of CLF. CLF is a privilege to be in as an exclusivity place for information.

I feel CLF will lose it's purpose if information were to get out. If anything I would ask clannies about topics but not make it obvious.
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17-Dec-2017 21:38:35

Macka
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This topic however has been on my mind a lot, unsure how I fully feel on it at the moment as it's a tricky situation indeed.

I am a small close knit clan and that's how I and my clannies prefer it in all honesty. Couldn't agree more with your point in that Ninmci
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17-Dec-2017 21:43:03 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2017 21:48:33 by Macka

Lord Courage
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I do find myself searching through the patch notes each time looking for clan related updates as generally that's what they are patches, if it's not worthy to be written about and highlighted on the main update news post then in my mind it's nothing to shout about.

Overall I feel clans have been severely neglected pieces of content, a lot of people looked to mmos for a community feel that has not been polished in RS, we're often given content that people don't care about 1-2 updates in the same category down the line, we're often given content that kills the old version. Clans are on-going content, for the most part anything you add I can only see being beneficial and yet they're neglected.

When clans came out in 2011 I thought it was going to be the new way to play RuneScape that everything you cared about was going to be related to your clan, we started recruiting and fighting whenever we could in RCW, a pretty shit system ngl where having fewer higher level people was better than having loads of lower levels, should've just made 2 modes 10vs10 respawn and unlimited that was knockout.

Shortly after but what felt like ages at the time we got the citadel update which was disappointing for me as a F2P clan, I and a lot of my clan got membership to try it, it was alright, good xp at the time but pretty boring, and we did it every week, week in, week out.

For the first 2 years of clans I spent nearly all my time recruiting in clan camp, it used to be a hub and then the players stopped coming, the noobs dried up and it was a ghost town, EoC came around that killed a good percentage of the game, that was fun.

Then came Old School splitting the community, yay and now has 2x as many players, yay.

RS3 is boring for a lot of people because there's no PvP, PvP gives you content that is always refreshing, players don't act like computers, they mess up, their connection fails, they accidentally do something great, the best thing Jagex can do is focus on clans and PvP.

18-Dec-2017 09:29:19

Jigzag
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I think I am being misunderstood.

I'm not talking about the ideas for updates or clan leaders sharing ideas. I'm not even talking about leaking or sharing the information in CLF.

I mean once the updates are put into action, is there not a better way to share the information about them with clan members and other members of the community? Most other updates in the game have an announcement and shared why it was added the way it was or the intention of why the update was done. Even ninja fixes have short explanations with them, though sometimes more digging is needed if want more details.

It always feels like clans get swept under the rug and it almost feels the same way in how the updates are announced. It is sort of put on the clan leaders to talk to their clans individually, but this doesn't really inform the game community as a whole. My clannies enjoy reading updates, should the information not be provided to them once it is released?

I'm happy upkeep was made easier, but I myself don't even really understand why it was made easier. I would like the information about it as well myself, not just go off "Oh, clan leaders were requesting it for years." :/ /\
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19-Dec-2017 02:18:01

Jigzag
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I honestly don't want to be like,
"Hey Awesome JMod that granted us an update!
Can you please post a thread in clan central with more details about the update such as what changed, why it's been changed, etc etc upon it's release or make it into a form of clan patch note posted on the RuneScape webpage. Awesome thanks, see ya."

So if that doesn't happen is there a different solution? This isn't really about clans being updated or what clans want or getting information about what they want, it's about how the release of the update is presented to the community.

Shauny is already pretty energetic about clans getting some updates. My clan was not positive in response as I feel they should have been and worry they wont be in the future due to the disconnect in information about the updates when they are released. I don't want it to have a negative impact on future clan updates. /\
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19-Dec-2017 02:29:31

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