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Hello Everyone, I made a thread in the suggestions section that I will use this post to link to. The reason I am posting this here is that a lot of likeminded and community focused players use these forums, but the thread itself deserves a wider audience. For that reason it is posted there, but here I am asking you to check it out.

The link: Click Here!

I will post a short summary so you can see what to expect, but there is a full page of details on the main thread. Hope to see you there.
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25-Jul-2017 22:04:16

Tyras Helmet

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For those who don't wish to read everything, here is a summary;

First the Content:
Recently, nearly all game updates released endgame content, and most of it had to do with combat. Endgame content is both necessary and most of the time fun, however focusing on that alone is completely wrong. There have been almost 0 social updates. Menaphos was meant for mid level players yet forced high levels to slave away as well. When was the last time a minigame was added to the game, or updated. MTX promos come weekly, but nothing improves.

Secondly the community:
Competition is fine, and in many cases a positive, but when everything is about being better than someone else rather than working or playing together, we have a problem. Over 60% of players are in a clan, but what does a clan actually provide. Compared to what an offsite service, or a friend chat can provide, JUST CITADEL. That's it. About 6 years ago Jagex released the Clan Citadel with the Avatar, and since then it has seen no major updates, or changes. According to them, the code it was made with does not allow many changes, yet a simple solution is to then change the code. 5 years would have been plenty of time to do that. The citadel itself is now incredibly out of date with bad exp rates, and its only redeeming quality is the exp boost of the avatar, which some clans have since deemed too much of a hassle. Therefore, clans are literally nothing more than a glorified friends chat now.

Lastly, Dead content:
As with clans being ignored, and all updates focused on combat and endgame, another thing left in the dust are minigames. The only time people do them is during spotlight, and their rewards are so outdated that just a small few minigames ever see play. Reworks have been promised but are incredibly slow going with very little updates.


If you would like to see more detailed and specific info about everything as well as my proposed solution feel free to read on, and share your thoughts afterwards.
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25-Jul-2017 22:04:21

Ceecs
Mar Member 2010

Ceecs

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The problem is that probably most of your solutions are not simple fixes for Jagex. So they need a huge team to work on those projects (e.x. Tier 8 cita). Since the 'spaghetti code' (clan data) and stuff like that needs a rewrite.

Even the clan avatar rework is waiting on an engine fix as said by Mod Matthe recently. However I DO believe that clans do need updates and i hope every now and then Jagex can spend some of their development time on clan updates. Like Ava rework, permission change and perhaps small fixes for citadel.

About your new ideas:
- Clan Currency: i like this idea, maybe award it for capping or clan events. Ideas where u can use it for are maybe Citadel Boosters or Anagogic Orts.

- Clan Bosses: i don't think we need anymore bosses. But perhaps a 'fun' boss on the Citadel Battlefield might be a good idea. Or that it can be used for training purpose to teach roles from a boss. For example: allow to spawn Vorago/Raids bosses on clan battlefield and reward no xp/drops/kc from it and save deaths.

^ Will make topic for this as actually good idea.

- Clan Buffs: i think that a damage reduction buff in your idea is a bit to op. But perhaps after the clan avatar rework adding the old buffs in a new way might be worth it.

- Clan Chat: i love your idea here.

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That Minigames are death content and stuff like that are in most cases true but how to change that with help of clans is something I need more thinking about. Ceecs - leader of Ceecs Clan
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26-Jul-2017 10:31:58 - Last edited on 26-Jul-2017 10:32:16 by Ceecs

Tyras Helmet

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The problem is they don't actively work on fixing broken/dead content. They could have, if they wanted to, slowly revamped, upgraded and simply fixed the clan code over the period of 5 years in which we've had 0 meaningful updates. Instead, they didn't. They left the code as bad as it is, and completely ignored the fact that we still exist, in order to push content that directly affects the most visible part of runescape : PvE.

Think about how much time goes into planning, coding, designing, implementing and all that for just 1 minigame. Now consider how much time spent on minigames was wasted because they are all dead.

Shattered worlds alone is dead due to terrible balancing, but as a solo minigame its hard to care enough.

Fixing minigames will provide more content for both clans and solo players becasause we would have more to do. Fixing them is probably far easier than fixing the clan code, but nothing with clans can change without fixing the code. That's where the MTX problem comes in, which I have not really mentioned.

They validate MTX by saying they get more money to update the game, create new content, and keep membership prices down. Last year they made more than 17 million in PROFIT.

Why cant some of that PROFIT be used to hire a team and fix the clan code? Don't want to work on it yourself, spend 1/17th of what you made and hire others to do it. Don't want to sell out? Do it yourself then.



Anyway, I'd also like to remind you guys to please mostly use the main thread, this here is just a link there so more Clan Leaders specifically can see it.
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27-Jul-2017 18:47:57

Scret
Mar Member 2018

Scret

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You would have to save the game first, its surviving off life support of micro transactions, promotions and gimmicky updates. its a soulless game owned by soulless people, theres now nothing special or unique about it, lost its direction years a go with clueless and unnecessary updates and with clearly a poor generic business model that most games companies seem to follow these days and majority of staff who ever cared have probably moved on to something else years a go.

I mean you only have to look so far as the recent Runescape documentary to spot the absolute tripe the company spews in order to continue to give the game a good image, the cold distant stare of regret in Gowers eyes says it all.
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29-Jul-2017 08:11:24 - Last edited on 29-Jul-2017 08:12:37 by Scret

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