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Pachuli714
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Time-based vs XP-based -- it's all BS and nonsense. How else do you explain how I got both the Crafting AND Smithing Pets during the Winter Event?

I had spent days getting over 24m xp in Divination. I watched literally dozens of people on my worlds get their Summoning pets while I did not. Pretty fair mix of players that went from x-99 and those who already had 99+. And that doesn't even take into account all those who got theirs on other worlds.

Once I'd achieved my own personal goals and the damn event just kept dragging on for several more days, I decided to switch to Smithing and try to get at least a level there. I didn't do even 150k's worth of training before I got the pet. So I figure, what the hell. I'll switch over to Crafting and see if I can get that pet as well. Less than 150k xp later, I got Gemi too.

I mean that just blows the whole farce of all these algorithms the hell out of the water, doesn't it? RNG in this game has always been a matter of pure and absolute luck. Please stop with the BS about all these calculations and all the rest of the crap.

It'll drop if and when it drops and that's it. Someone could be level 5 and just do 15 minutes of whatever and get the pet and someone else could have 200m xp already in the skill, run past a freaking impling, loot it and get the damn Hunter pet.

This game has always been a joke when it comes to RNG. Let's not pretend it's a science, okay?

21-Jan-2018 02:37:15

Tenebri
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Pachuli714 said :
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that whole chunk of jibberish was a complete facepalm

yes its rng based, but there is science behind it thats how it is developed

if you look at everyone with moa joat joab youll see all have higher xp (200ms) only a few with no 200ms but rest 120s

why

because of the thresholds

yes there is someone with 1 defence with 1 def pet. but thats all possible when rolling the chance

yes it took you ages to get one pet and quickly with the other. it doesnt make knowing the actual drop rates anything less. is it going to change the way people train for them? (maybe in some cases but most likely not) due to the actual rates of getting it. with some like agility you can just do hefin pillars for "higher chance" due to it being time based.

knowing the rates makes little difference. but its nice to know the actual drop rates of the pets. and thats what this is.

there is a formula on how the rng works. thats the point.

if it was the way you say it is 100%, then thered be people under 2k total with moa, when there isnt. just because you dont fully understand it doesnt mean its bs. it means read it again
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23-Jan-2018 22:43:14 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2018 22:43:50 by Tenebri

Pachuli714
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I still say what use are all the numbers that are presumably used for calculating the odds of getting a pet when it's all just nonsense in the end.

I've seen players spend hardly any time at all at a skill and they get a pet. I myself during the Winter Event spent literally hours on end, I went from 100-110 Summoning there and no pet. I saw plenty of people around me get theirs.

Then I switched over to Smithing figuring I might as well try for another level there since there seemed to be some confusion as to when the heck the event was supposed to end. Didn't even get 300k xp and I got the Smithing pet. Then switched to Crafting, figuring I might get lucky and 150k xp later, I did. I got the Crafting pet as well.

So what do you calculations have to say about that? Over 24m xp in Summoning -- no pet. Over 5m xp in Runecrafting -- no pet. Less than 300k xp in Smithing -- pet. Less than 150k xp in Crafting -- pet.

I just recently did about 600k xp Fishing at Menaphos -- got the pet.

Please, give us some more useless figures. They're fascinating, as far as fiction goes.

26-Jan-2018 05:54:13

Boldly Rule
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So for Rue (255/28)*120/50000000=1/50000 approximately. I have gone from 33m xp to 131m xp with no Rue. I have to ask how many times I have failed to roll the pet and shouldn't there be a bad luck fail safe? 50 000 tries * 255 xp for undead soul = 12 750 000xp. I have gained way more than 12 mil xp. If I understand this correctly if I had siphoned only undead soul every 12.75 mil xp I have rolled for the pet at least once and failed to get it. Pls make it so that after a certain number of failed attempts of getting the pet it becomes a guaranteed drop.

29-Jan-2018 00:09:41 - Last edited on 29-Jan-2018 00:23:33 by Boldly Rule

Tenebri
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Boldly Rule said :
So for Rue (255/28)*120/50000000=1/50000 approximately. I have gone from 33m xp to 131m xp with no Rue. I have to ask how many times I have failed to roll the pet and shouldn't there be a bad luck fail safe? 50 000 tries * 255 xp for undead soul = 12 750 000xp. I have gained way more than 12 mil xp. If I understand this correctly if I had siphoned only undead soul every 12.75 mil xp I have rolled for the pet at least once and failed to get it. Pls make it so that after a certain number of failed attempts of getting the pet it becomes a guaranteed drop.


no i disagree with a "fail safe" drop

and its around 55% chance to get the drop when you reach the dedicated xp that it values at

it only gets to 90% chance of getting the drop when you are 5x over the actual drop rate

you could go 6b xp and never getting it
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29-Jan-2018 17:31:16

Tenebri
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Pachuli714 said :
I still say what use are all the numbers that are presumably used for calculating the odds of getting a pet when it's all just nonsense in the end.

I've seen players spend hardly any time at all at a skill and they get a pet. I myself during the Winter Event spent literally hours on end, I went from 100-110 Summoning there and no pet. I saw plenty of people around me get theirs.

Then I switched over to Smithing figuring I might as well try for another level there since there seemed to be some confusion as to when the heck the event was supposed to end. Didn't even get 300k xp and I got the Smithing pet. Then switched to Crafting, figuring I might get lucky and 150k xp later, I did. I got the Crafting pet as well.

So what do you calculations have to say about that? Over 24m xp in Summoning -- no pet. Over 5m xp in Runecrafting -- no pet. Less than 300k xp in Smithing -- pet. Less than 150k xp in Crafting -- pet.

I just recently did about 600k xp Fishing at Menaphos -- got the pet.

Please, give us some more useless figures. They're fascinating, as far as fiction goes.


all you have proven is that you dont understand rng / statistics

lets go into a more easier drop rate.

champion scrolls

they are all 1:5000

i have them all, it took 14 zombie kills for the zombie one
it took over 25k ab spectres for the ab spectre one
even though they both have a drop rate of 5k
doesnt mean zombie has higher chance because i was incredibly lucky with it.

if you got 5,000 people to kill a zombie, it doesnt mean one of them will get the scroll. theres a chance obviously one will, chance all will.
if they now all kill 5 theres a high chance atleast one will get the drop there has now been 25k rolls of that drop. of a 1:5000, so on average 5 people would have got it.

just ebcause you got the fish pet in 600k doesnt mean these figures are bs or useless.
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29-Jan-2018 17:32:16 - Last edited on 29-Jan-2018 17:37:01 by Tenebri

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Thanks for the reveals but can i just say those drop rates make 0 sense and many people would want to see them changed? What's the point of going dozens of millions of xp dry when someone just gets the pet at 65? Shouldn't the thresholds actually mean anything?

04-Feb-2018 17:18:30

Tenebri
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dr ama said :
Thanks for the reveals but can i just say those drop rates make 0 sense and many people would want to see them changed? What's the point of going dozens of millions of xp dry when someone just gets the pet at 65? Shouldn't the thresholds actually mean anything?


you said it meant 0 to you. therefore you didnt understand it

the threshold does mean something...

as said before just because you dont understand doesnt mean its wrong / worthless
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06-Feb-2018 19:51:59

Ethereal199
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Tenebri said :
dr ama said :
Thanks for the reveals but can i just say those drop rates make 0 sense and many people would want to see them changed? What's the point of going dozens of millions of xp dry when someone just gets the pet at 65? Shouldn't the thresholds actually mean anything?


you said it meant 0 to you. therefore you didnt understand it

the threshold does mean something...

as said before just because you dont understand doesnt mean its wrong / worthless


You shouldn't waste your time trying to explain the rationality of drop rates and why Jagex released the numbers. These players are just incapable of understanding basic statistics or what a Random Number Generator (RNG) is. It'll just go into one ear and straight out the other ear.
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07-Feb-2018 09:27:29 - Last edited on 07-Feb-2018 09:28:45 by Ethereal199

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