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The Pillar
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The Pillar

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I know this is against your 'rules' or whatever, but I don't ever get listened to in the chat, and I feel that if I make my points in a mature and calm natured manner then I should be listened to and not just kicked as soon as I mention anything to do with my opinions.
My first point of discussion is the current and frankly ridiculous inability to use any profanity within the chat. JaGex have given us the ability to make our own decisions on this, and as such it is my entire belief that nobody has the right to tell us what we can and can't say. I'm not saying that we should be allowed to just swear directly at each other - and neither are JaGex. The game rules still clearly state that if swearing is directly offensive to another player then it is still a reportable offence. What I am saying is that it is completely unrealistic to expect people who have the ability to occasionally use profanity, for example in a situation where they have died and lost items, to not use it.
The way the chat is moderated is poor at best. There is no room for discussion of a warning, as when you try to discuss it you are immediately kicked. This evening is a prime example of this, when we tried to discuss the issues with profanity in the chat in a calm and collected manner - not only did the chat mods join in for a while, but when it became apparent that people where starting to agree with us we got kicked.
My argument on this is that the profanity filter is there if you wish to hide any 'offensive' language. Nobody has the right to tell people they can not use such language because they themselves do not agree with it, and as such we should be able to use the language we choose to use in the chat.
This leads me in to a much broader point I have about the whole issue, which I will continue in my next post.

20-Feb-2011 02:26:33

The Pillar
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The Pillar

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My Other, much broader point is that I personally do not believe that anyone should be able to set rules above and beyond JaGex's own rules.
A lot of people in the chat kept saying that being in the chat was a privilege and as such we should abide by the rules laid down by the chat owner, but being in a chat that is publicly open is no different to being in public chat - and JaGex's rules should not be overridden by anything else.
Also to the people calling it a privilege - it's a chat in a computer game, not water.
If i continue to use the chat, I will continue to abide by JaGex's rules, and nobody elses.
It is my basic right to voice my opinions in any public forum, and as such when I am told I cannot explain these opinions and am forcibly removed from the chat it is totally unacceptable.
The rules you have laid out within this thread for the chat are far to vague, and seem to be able to be bent to cover almost any situation you or your moderators deem unsuitable.
Each rule within itself is down to interpretation and surely this applies for both sides - if the majority of the chat is comfortable discussing something then it should be allowed, not warned against or removed because just one person disagree's.
What I propose is a vote on the subjects raised here - If the majority of the chat want to be able to speak freely then let them, don't let your personal opinions, which so often cause conflict within the chat, stop other peoples basic rights - whether they be in game or real world.
Hopefully you will atleast take this in to consideration. I, along with several other members of the chat will be severely dissapointed if this is just ignored.
Sarah

20-Feb-2011 02:26:45 - Last edited on 20-Feb-2011 02:38:27 by The Pillar

The Capitals

The Capitals

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I strongly support Sigur Ros's post, if we're going to leave this chat open we have to have a DIRECT understanding on what's allowed to be talked about and what's not.
The rules are to vague and can be interrupted into many numerous ways.

20-Feb-2011 02:40:21

Brian Eno

Brian Eno

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Having been addressed several times today as "vulgar" I feel the necessity to address this, a quote by you, Accepted
"Even the chat captains/generals are not above the rules."
Talk to Dekka Master.
Please add me, Accepted, I'd like to discuss some things with you.

20-Feb-2011 02:40:26

Stevensumon
May Member 2022

Stevensumon

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Yes the Filter is there, people have the choice to have it on or off, but if you think it's fine to swear in certain circumstances, such as in a joking manner with your friends, then you can do that outside of the chat. I wouldn't say it's a privelege to be in it, but the rules set for itself are their to benefit everyone. Yes it is poorly moderated at times, people seem to have their own judgement on the rules which is fair, though not so much when they will do something then warn/kick someone else for the same thing. But the fact is there will be young people in the chat or people who will find things that are being said offensive, with or without the filter on, & there is no need for you to use offensive language in the chat & set a bad example for others to follow.

07-Apr-2011 15:25:00

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