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Dilbert2001
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ELITE STACK said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Way to late to cry over Deathtouched Darts being too OP.

I believe questors asked for the them first because some of them couldn't kill quest bosses. Then skillers cried about they couldn't kill some mobs/bosses for their combat achievements/Comp. Then skillers got greedy about the big ticket boss loot bossers got steadily but they were incompetent to get themseleves so they asked them to be added everywhere, first as a lucky prize from Raffle, mystery bags, etc, then spread over to guaranteed items like the DSF Travelling Merchant.

They did not cry loud years ago when DTD were first added because they were not MTX, now that Jagex got smart and added them to TH then all of a sudden more people found them to be a problem. :D

Realistically, DTD have been an integral part of Jagex's gameplay through the past few years. No point to remove them now because the players asked for them years ago to begin with. :D

Source where players asked for them years ago?

They asked for quests without boss fights but obviously this wasn't feasible in a RPG, so the next best thing was something that could help them to skip the bosses fights.

The fact that Jagex made DTD effective on almost all quest bosses indicated the darts were designed to let players skip the boss fights in quests already.

09-Feb-2019 21:04:28

Dilbert2001
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What nobody asked? Let's see just a few:

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/9hs338/can_i_use_deathtouched_darts_in_the_world_wakes/

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/71zw6c/deathtouched_dart_for_nomads_elegy/

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/2fhqga/deathtouched_darts_most_effectiveprofitable_use/

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/3jrqvn/question_what_can_skiller_use_deathtouched_darts/

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/6w3hyd/where_can_deathtouch_darts_from_balthazars_raffle/

I am not even including the ones where questors asked for DTD to be able to kill Drakan and Graador in The Mighty Fall.

09-Feb-2019 22:29:20

Dulcis Nex
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Dilbert2001 said :
Way to late to cry over Deathtouched Darts being too OP. Not wrong, but then a lot of the other sources were one time events (such as last Halloween) or in the case of raffle, etc it wasn't clear whether it would be recurring.
Merchant came along and although the darts are no less OP and boss kills shouldnt just be bought for GP it isn't as bad, the timegate limits how many can be obtained and the 5m cost reduces the devaluing of boss loot - they are a flat loss at Nex, KK, anywhere but saving Telos streaks.

However I do not think it is too late to complain, Jagex have said they will be discussing DTDs and life refreshers' use at Telos and with the input of the community it is possible, even likely darts will no longer work on Telos. Dilbert2001 said :
They did not cry loud years ago when DTD were first added because they were not MTX, now that Jagex got smart and added them to TH then all of a sudden more people found them to be a problem. Actually a lot of people have had a problem with them for years. Yes, introducing them via MTX gambling makes it worse. Dilbert2001 said :
Realistically, DTD have been an integral part of Jagex's gameplay through the past few years. No point to remove them now because the players asked for them years ago to begin with. Nope, getting free kills for doing nothing is certainly not an "integral part of Jagex's gameplay". They are free shit. And free shit reduces the amount of gameplay as players no longer have to sink time in to their goals.

People asking for things isn't a reason for them to be in the game. Just take one look at "Game Content Suggestions" :D You'll get it when you deserve it.

09-Feb-2019 23:35:34

Dulcis Nex
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Dilbert2001 said :
What nobody asked? Let's see just a few:

I am not even including the ones where questors asked for DTD to be able to kill Drakan and Graador in The Mighty Fall. Those are all after DTDs were released, not people asking for them to begin with. You'll get it when you deserve it.

09-Feb-2019 23:39:17

Dilbert2001
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Dulcis Nex said :
Dilbert2001 said :
What nobody asked? Let's see just a few:

I am not even including the ones where questors asked for DTD to be able to kill Drakan and Graador in The Mighty Fall. Those are all after DTDs were released, not people asking for them to begin with.

DTD benefit questors and skillers way way way more than bossers. Semi-decent bossers mostly don't need DTD at all. I picked other prizes over DTD at Raffles all the time.

Again, questors who are lesser PvMers have been asking for quests without boss fights but as I mentioned, it is very hard and wired for a traditional RPG like Runescape to have quests without any boss fight, so DTD is the missing link between the lesser PvMer and average PvMer questors. You can tell from all the posts regarding the best practical usage of DTD is throwing them at quest bosses, and Jagex's answer to questors of different combat skills.

I guess some twisting may be done to DTD but removing them is not likely. Limiting the usage of DTD on Telos may be a possibility but I doubt if removing them outright or making them useless against quest bosses and achievements won't bring back a lot of complaints from questors and skillers.

10-Feb-2019 00:53:11

Dulcis Nex
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Dilbert2001 said :
DTD benefit questors and skillers way way way more than bossers. Semi-decent bossers mostly don't need DTD at all. I picked other prizes over DTD at Raffles all the time.

Again, questors who are lesser PvMers have been asking for quests without boss fights but as I mentioned, it is very hard and wired for a traditional RPG like Runescape to have quests without any boss fight, so DTD is the missing link between the lesser PvMer and average PvMer questors. You can tell from all the posts regarding the best practical usage of DTD is throwing them at quest bosses, and Jagex's answer to questors of different combat skills.

I guess some twisting may be done to DTD but removing them is not likely. Limiting the usage of DTD on Telos may be a possibility but I doubt if removing them outright or making them useless against quest bosses and achievements won't bring back a lot of complaints from questors and skillers. Let them complain. Fighting the big bad guy is often a big part of a storylines in RS.

Either way, if DTDs were supposed to be a quest boss skip (which I don't doubt) it they should never have worked on standard bosses, and it is never too late to change that. You'll get it when you deserve it.

10-Feb-2019 12:00:15

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