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Deltaslug

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It's indirectly Zamorak's fault.

Bilrach went digging there and heard voices (Zammy's?).

Bilrach is Zamorakian.

Zamorak has taken up residence at the bottom of Daemonheim.

By default logical analysis, yes, it is all Zamorak's fault.

Let's be honest, it's not like military intelligence is necessarily intelligent.

27-Nov-2017 21:37:23

Byzantinist

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Hazeel said :
...given that there's the possibility that Zamorak was "possessing him", it may have well been Zamorak after all.

The question is to what extent he was possessed, and how much control he truly had.

Sometimes the voices in his head were telling him to stop writing and move along, which shows he at least had the will power to take notes at times and stop with what he was doing. Imagine a schizophrenic resisting as long as possible until becoming overwhelmed by it.

In his own Mahjarrat memory he criticizes the Zarosian empire at its peak, though it is unknown if he was still under Zaros' aura or not. One thing is clear, he became utterly devout after the events leading to its downfall. My guess is he consciously followed Zamorak until the journey all the way down killed him mentally, he appeared too sane before that.

As he got awarded the rank of general, it seems he was considerably loyal over others, or he was indeed so manipulable after Zamorak became a god, that he quickly changed into a lapdog, raising and leading entire armies while being entirely guided by his whispers all along.

Later however, in Nadir there are parts where he obviously seems in Zammy's control. Logically, the deeper he went the stronger an influence it seemed to have over him, as the physical distance between them greatly diminished. The edicts must've played a part in that.

Somehow, he held the portals, rifts, demons and his overall isolation accountable for his descent into madness, with Zamorak somehow protecting him from the voices guiding him after they met. Either he seems too useful as a personal advisor and has retained some valuable intelligence, or is too insane to be left alone, or (as I suspect) most likely both. Sometimes one must operate within the
shadows
to serve the
light
. For a man makes no noise over a good deed, but passes on to another as a vine to bear fruits again in season, in order that the world may ever be new.

27-Nov-2017 22:48:22 - Last edited on 27-Nov-2017 22:48:41 by Byzantinist

Gaga Lady
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I think the Dragonkin built Daemonheim, and Bilrach did everything below.

Something that really irks me, however, and doesn't make a lot of sense is that Phalaks' Lab and many other Dragonkin locations in-game follow the art style and theme of the floors of Daemonheim. So maybe the Dragonkin built some of the floors, I don't know.

I really wish when devs were creating Dragonkin areas that weren't at Daemonheim, they had their own unique style like the Dragonkin Castle we're yet to visit.
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04-Dec-2017 12:58:14

Summerleaf
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Gaga Lady said :
I think the Dragonkin built Daemonheim, and Bilrach did everything below.

Something that really irks me, however, and doesn't make a lot of sense is that Phalaks' Lab and many other Dragonkin locations in-game follow the art style and theme of the floors of Daemonheim. So maybe the Dragonkin built some of the floors, I don't know.



Literally same. That's why I always assumed that everything below was designed by them, to some degree. Sure, Bilrach and his followers filled the rooms up, but the rooms and their shapes were by Dragonkin design.

Gaga Lady said :

I really wish when devs were creating Dragonkin areas that weren't at Daemonheim, they had their own unique style like the Dragonkin Castle we're yet to visit.

There's areas like the Brimhaven Dungeon. Tbh, I always thought Dragonkin Castle was Daemonheim.

05-Dec-2017 00:00:44

Byzantinist

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Summerleaf said :
Sure, Bilrach and his followers filled the rooms up, but the rooms and their shapes were by Dragonkin design.

I agree this theme seems obscure, and you're not entirely wrong, when reading dialogue from One of a Kind:

"We are in my laboratory in what you call Daemonheim. Despite this recent infestation, it is still a Dragonkin stronghold. I have locked this lab outside of the standard rotations, so we should be free of interruptions." (Kerapac)

Note how the word Daemonheim doesn't seem a Dragonkin invention, so they likely picked it up from some local Fremenniks. The concept of building underground structures seems a typical feat for the Dragonkin with their powerful abilities that mostly exceed Mahjarrat.

Would you suggest that the notes, uncovered from dungeoneering that have stated the digging was Bilrach's doing, were half-truths? That perhaps he successfully got to copy paste the structures after studying the Dragonkin lore and architecture himself? Or was it just Jagex not bothering to spend time making entirely different dungeon designs and styles?

Summerleaf said :
There's areas like the Brimhaven Dungeon. Tbh, I always thought Dragonkin Castle was Daemonheim.

Interestingly, Kerapac's part of the complex purposely detached from the other Warped Floors, pointing to a potential hostile encounter with Bill's forces, shutting them off for good.

It doesn't explain the extensive effort of traveling through already constructed dungeons taking centuries, though. Especially when sources, altough biased, point to Bill digging through soil and forging his own chambers. The answer might lie somewhere inbetween.

(Definition of soil: consisting of a mixture of clay and rock particles.)

Whatever the reason may be, it would be great to get some kind of elaboration on how the Dragonkin were related to the other chambers in Daemonheim in a future quest like Sometimes one must operate within the
shadows
to serve the
light
. For a man makes no noise over a good deed, but passes on to another as a vine to bear fruits again in season, in order that the world may ever be new.

05-Dec-2017 21:27:30 - Last edited on 05-Dec-2017 21:39:10 by Byzantinist

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