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Summerleaf
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This one is gonna be pretty short.

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There are other creatures, certainly. Skypouncers roam the plains and there are visitors from other worlds from time to time...but natives...no.

Saradomin doesn't say the words 'no longer' but they hang in the air, spoken but unsaid.

Basically, as we know, Vyres and Icyene have numerous connections and similarities. Skypouncers and Bloodpouncers, Wyrd's, Ice & Blood, etc.

Given this, is it possible for the Vyres to have been on both Vampyrium and New Domina at the same time, being possibly the first multiplanar species?

23-Nov-2017 15:00:57 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2017 15:08:56 by Summerleaf

MystLunaris

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First thing let me just clear up some confusion the Mods went through a couple different names for the homeworld but currently, it stands as this.
Hallow = The Icyene homeworld, and a planet that is mostly water
Hallowed Isles = Are a series of islands located all across Hallow, until Saradomin made the floating city of New Domina the Icyne used to travel from island to island to try and escape the bitter winter.
New Domina = Well I already explained it above

Now as for the Vampyres on Hallow theory, I just really can't buy into it, the Devs have already discussed how the worlds work e.g. Vampyrium is a world filled with Blood Anima and how other planets made of other Anima also dictate what creatures are created there. (I'm sure you've read this before, but I can't find a link to anywhere, where it's discussed so if you have one that'd be useful)
Hallow does not seem like a world with an abundance of Blood Anima, so I can't see any reason why Vampyres would be created there.
If the Vampyres moved from Vampyrium to Hallow then that'd most likely be due to Zaros creating a portal for them and Zaros was the one to make them civilized.
However, Mod Stu responded to a question saying that the race the Icyene fought were unable to be reasoned with.
That doesn't fit the Vampyires we know who actually even went for a more peaceful approach to ending the war between them and the Icyene on Gilenor, rather than just slaughtering all the Icyene they took a hostage as a bargaining tool.
More of a case could be made if the Vampyres on Hallow were feral, but even then Feral Vampyres are some of the weakest Vampyres and Safalaan's Icyene powers have been shown to be good match for even some of the stronger Vampyres.
Food is the last and biggest problem here, due to the geography of Hallow, it's unlikely that there are many animals there and certainly not enough to sustain an overwhelming force of Vampyres. 99-120 Skill content , Skilling boss ideas , Talents , God Emissary D&D/Minigame , Vampyric and Elven tech trees

23-Nov-2017 20:33:06 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2017 20:45:52 by MystLunaris

MystLunaris

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Imo the race the Icyene fought on Hallow was probably a similar race to the Kreegans from the Might and Magic series.

I just realised that link doesn't actually work, even though it's the correct link, I guess you're not allowed to link to other sites like that on the RS forums so, just google "Kreegans Might and Magic" if you're interested. Or just quote my post and copy and paste the link instead.

Actually, I now have another theory.
Thinking about how Hallow is a world mostly made of water and we know that the being that Guthix hit with the Blade shattered into multiple pieces and spread across worlds. And one of those pieces is assumed or confirmed to be Xau-Tak. What if another of those pieces had ended up on Hallow and so the Icyene had to fight against an undead army of sea monsters. Xau-Tak and their forces certainly seem like they'd be unable to be reasoned with too. 99-120 Skill content , Skilling boss ideas , Talents , God Emissary D&D/Minigame , Vampyric and Elven tech trees

23-Nov-2017 21:48:26 - Last edited on 24-Nov-2017 21:22:42 by MystLunaris

Summerleaf
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MystLunaris said :
First thing let me just clear up some confusion the Mods went through a couple different names for the homeworld but currently, it stands as this.
Hallow = The Icyene homeworld, and a planet that is mostly water
Hallowed Isles = Are a series of islands located all across Hallow, until Saradomin made the floating city of New Domina the Icyne used to travel from island to island to try and escape the bitter winter.
New Domina = Well I already explained it above



Ah fuck. I knew this lol, I'm literally the one who updated the wiki to show it. It just slipped my mind.

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To comment on the rest of your stuff, I'm literally the one who posted all the spacial and additional RuneFest stuff here, so I know all of it. I was just asking if it was feasible. A simple "yes" or "no" would have sufficed, followed by logic. You've gone a bit overboard

23-Nov-2017 23:44:53 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2017 23:48:44 by Summerleaf

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With the revealing of Hallow's status as an astral rune plane, and how sentient life is influenced by the magical energy the plane's alignment-.. Well, night and day would be things are nice astral concepts, so if the icyene are day, the other species was probably just like... a night version, I'd say. Mods pls notice me

24-Nov-2017 02:39:55

MystLunaris

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Summerleaf said :
I was just asking if it was feasible. A simple "yes" or "no" would have sufficed, followed by logic. You've gone a bit overboard
Well I like to be detailed and there were a lot of points to cover and I wanted to be sure that anyone else reading this knew where I was coming from. 99-120 Skill content , Skilling boss ideas , Talents , God Emissary D&D/Minigame , Vampyric and Elven tech trees

24-Nov-2017 07:07:47

Summerleaf
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MystLunaris said :
Summerleaf said :
I was just asking if it was feasible. A simple "yes" or "no" would have sufficed, followed by logic. You've gone a bit overboard
Well I like to be detailed and there were a lot of points to cover and I wanted to be sure that anyone else reading this knew where I was coming from.

Fair

Marine Doge said :
With the revealing of Hallow's status as an astral rune plane, and how sentient life is influenced by the magical energy the plane's alignment-.. Well, night and day would be things are nice astral concepts, so if the icyene are day, the other species was probably just like... a night version, I'd say.

Makes sense. I guess I was just trying to justify the numerous connections between the Icyene and the Vyres. I could easily imagine black winged Icyene that live in the darkness. That would be amazing.

That being said, does anyone have any headcanon for why so many connections between the two races?

24-Nov-2017 14:48:10

MystLunaris

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Marine Doge said :
With the revealing of Hallow's status as an astral rune plane, and how sentient life is influenced by the magical energy the plane's alignment-.. Well, night and day would be things are nice astral concepts, so if the icyene are day, the other species was probably just like... a night version, I'd say.

I can't really get behind that either, as cool as it would be it wouldn't make sense. The Icyene would inhabit the light side of the planet and that race would inhabit the dark side. So what reason would they actually have to clash against each other? It's not like they'd really be competing for land and they'd be at a disadvantage if they tried to fight each other in the light or dark anyway.
Even if the aggression was only while they were both migrating, Saradomin creating New Domina would've ended most of the conflict but even after making it they were still fighting.

"That being said, does anyone have any headcanon for why so many connections between the two races?"

I think most of it is just coincidence really.
After one of the Runefet livestreams showed the army compositions of Saradomin's army used Icyene as a flying and bombarding force, the oppositional flying and bombarding force on the Zarosian and Zamorakian sides were likely mainly composed of Vampyres so they'd just end up fighting each other time and time again in battle due to sheer circumstance.
This probably lead many of the Vampyres to have a hatred of the Icyene and vice-versa and so the takeover of Hallowvale was probably partly done to spite the Icyene and partly because from previous battles the Vampyres knew they were one of the few races that could kill them.
Bloodpouncers, are probably not actually canonical like Skypouncers are, however if they are canonical then I'd assume they were made by the Vampyres from Skypouncers left in Hallowvale when they took over using some kind of Haemalchemy in a similar way to the Mutated bloodvel 99-120 Skill content , Skilling boss ideas , Talents , God Emissary D&D/Minigame , Vampyric and Elven tech trees

24-Nov-2017 16:18:13 - Last edited on 24-Nov-2017 22:00:51 by MystLunaris

Summerleaf
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^This works for me, but how would you explain Wyrd's only coming from Icyene? That has to be more than just some Haelalchemy (however you spell it), since it's racially specific, and seems to not discriminate, unless it's another Zamorakian curse, like Chaos Dwarves.

24-Nov-2017 19:06:46

AesirWarrior
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Summerleaf said :
^This works for me, but how would you explain Wyrd's only coming from Icyene? That has to be more than just some Haelalchemy (however you spell it), since it's racially specific, and seems to not discriminate, unless it's another Zamorakian curse, like Chaos Dwarves.

I don't think there's a problem with that. Icyene blood/biology and magical energy is different from humans so it seems logical to me that vampyrification would affect them differently. Icyene look human, but in the end they are a seperate species. You wouldn't expect a dog to turn into a vyrewatch, would you? -
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24-Nov-2017 19:46:04 - Last edited on 24-Nov-2017 19:47:36 by AesirWarrior

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