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Edcy

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oh lawlcakes, plenty as many as two posts applied instead of intented one, pardon will you for whatever that strange power taking hold of my otherwise glorious connections in the spiders web huhu

ill just res this to answer for a possible answer to my 1st post in prev page yes does the future conclude such idk ill see

24-May-2019 01:49:48 - Last edited on 24-May-2019 01:52:05 by Edcy

Uncle Harper
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Inque said :
I love how the Obsidian Tribunal has finally made an appearance. I think their master is not necessarily Xau-Tak, though.

Veil-Ripper Ozharakha? That's definitely an interesting name. Seeing how stalkers are already eldritch abominations in their own right, the connection makes sense.

Finally, I have no idea how Xau-Tak is unaware of Gielinor. He's literally been on Gielinor for a while. The Book of V notes that Xau-Tak's tendrils have taken root on Gielinor. Not to mention the black hands and stuff. The Ambassador's dying words are even "you only live because has not yet noticed you." Weird.


Here is a link to the tweet from Mod Raven confirming Xau-Tak doesn't know about our little rock yet and everything thus far is a product of Kranon.

https://twitter.com/JagexRaven/status/1102859415458365440?s=09

My theory on what V is talking about with tendrils is that Xau has followers on this world. Or that his power is being used on this world. Remember Kranon took a small portion of Xau's power and put it in himself. Im guessing thats where all the hands come from and the ability to manufacture black stone.

As for the topic at hand, the Veil, Im still curious as to what it is or who created it.

You may also be correct about the tribunal's master not being Xau-Tak. Kranon mentions their leader to be "Agnes" (What an unattractive name) but Agnes may be an agent of Xau-Tak herself.
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24-May-2019 04:30:00

Sepulchre
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Not for nothing, but I recall 'the veil' being used as a term in a quest once before.
Summer's End. It kept talking about how the Spirit Beast was 'breaking the veil' between worlds, and that even we were able to enter it where the Beast was breaking it. Of course, this breaking of the veil turned out to be it breaking the barrier between the Spirit Realm and the rest of Gielinor, leaving only the Void.
Looking back at RuneFest 2017, there was a map of the planar gallery...



My best guess for what was happening in Summer's End (and this is my guess for what 'the veil' is in this case as well) is that the solid white lines that border each plane, with the abyss between them, is what is referred to as 'the veil.'
But I believe this Veil may do more than just hold the planes together on a physical level. During Summer's End there is an earthquake caused by the Beast breaking through the Veil between the Spirit Realm and this realm. This leads me to believe that the Veil also actually keeps the different levels of a plane stable. If you look at the picture above, you see the Incorporeal Planes: Shadow Realm, Underworld, Afterlife... and Spirit Realm. Now isn't that interesting.
When the Spirit Beast was clawing through the Veil, it wasn't just pushing out of that realm, it was breaking the plane's stability (hence the Earthquake). This leads back to the Xau-Tak/Shadow Realm connection. IF Xau-Tak's goal is to pierce the Veil, and his connection to the Shadow Realm is as strong as I - and others - believe, then the point of piercing the Veil is probably: killing the stability of the Plane to allow the Shadow Realm to breach into the rest of Gielinor.

... Shadow Realm... Breach...
The Shadow Breach.
Maybe Guthix knew about Xau-Tak after all?
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24-May-2019 14:50:34 - Last edited on 24-May-2019 14:53:46 by Sepulchre

Inque
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Aaahhh, so everything from the Glory of Zaros incident to transporting the Mwanu from Jermyn to Gielinor to the cosmic kitten from Piece of Hate to the elite dungeon trilogy were all Kranon? Okay, I can get how the ED trilogy is Kranon's doing without Xau-Tak's direct involvement, but everything else? Seems a bit retconny to me.
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26-May-2019 07:29:24

Uncle Harper
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Sepulchre said :
Not for nothing, but I recall 'the veil' being used as a term in a quest once before.
Summer's End. It kept talking about how the Spirit Beast was 'breaking the veil' between worlds, and that even we were able to enter it where the Beast was breaking it. Of course, this breaking of the veil turned out to be it breaking the barrier between the Spirit Realm and the rest of Gielinor, leaving only the Void.
Looking back at RuneFest 2017, there was a map of the planar gallery...



My best guess for what was happening in Summer's End (and this is my guess for what 'the veil' is in this case as well) is that the solid white lines that border each plane, with the abyss between them, is what is referred to as 'the veil.'
But I believe this Veil may do more than just hold the planes together on a physical level. During Summer's End there is an earthquake caused by the Beast breaking through the Veil between the Spirit Realm and this realm. This leads me to believe that the Veil also actually keeps the different levels of a plane stable. If you look at the picture above, you see the Incorporeal Planes: Shadow Realm, Underworld, Afterlife... and Spirit Realm. Now isn't that interesting.
When the Spirit Beast was clawing through the Veil, it wasn't just pushing out of that realm, it was breaking the plane's stability (hence the Earthquake). This leads back to the Xau-Tak/Shadow Realm connection. IF Xau-Tak's goal is to pierce the Veil, and his connection to the Shadow Realm is as strong as I - and others - believe, then the point of piercing the Veil is probably: killing the stability of the Plane to allow the Shadow Realm to breach into the rest of Gielinor.

... Shadow Realm... Breach...
The Shadow Breach.
Maybe Guthix knew about Xau-Tak after all?


This is very plausible. Zaros has some knowledge of kranon and xau and has spent a lot of time in the shadow realm. Maybe thats how he knew
I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
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28-May-2019 06:53:16

Uncle Harper
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Inque said :
Aaahhh, so everything from the Glory of Zaros incident to transporting the Mwanu from Jermyn to Gielinor to the cosmic kitten from Piece of Hate to the elite dungeon trilogy were all Kranon? Okay, I can get how the ED trilogy is Kranon's doing without Xau-Tak's direct involvement, but everything else? Seems a bit retconny to me.


If that is the case you are right, does feel retconned. But i think Gielinor is the only thing Xau hasnt taken notice of. He knows all about the world guardian and Kranon states he is told our name by his master. My guess is Xau has been the one talking to us through cut scene kittens and dead goblins and warped seamen, but has done so through unknowable means. And hasnt set his sight on our little world yet.
I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

28-May-2019 06:55:48

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maybe he noticed us due to our unnatural powers that Guthix gave us when he made us the World Guardian? the elders are sleeping so maybe their power isnt felt but we are the one anomaly that shouldn't even exist in the first place and we might be the reason that
Xau-Tak is eventually drawn to Gielinor
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31-May-2019 10:03:20

Uncle Harper
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Reapaw said :
maybe he noticed us due to our unnatural powers that Guthix gave us when he made us the World Guardian? the elders are sleeping so maybe their power isnt felt but we are the one anomaly that shouldn't even exist in the first place and we might be the reason that
Xau-Tak is eventually drawn to Gielinor


Unlikely since Guthix himself along with other t2 gods and now the awakened elders roamed Gielinor. Im pretty sure the veil is what is preventing the cosmic horrors of the RS universe from completely destroying the planet and all life. Question is who or what created the veil. Possibly the elders so they could sleep undisturbed. Possibly Guthix after he encountered xau or one of his agents in his travels.
I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

16-Jun-2019 06:32:51

Hexie Kazumi
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I think some of the biggest clues we received regarding the nature of Xau-Tak are as follows:

1) It is a being of potentially Elder God tier power
2) While the comment of its tier being root/-1 implies it isn't a god
3) The absolute biggest clue I think is found in a lore document shared on discord. Discord is blocked in China so I am afraid I can't fish it out for you guys.

Basically, it is a document about the Shadow Realm and it is referred to as kind of like an ocean of shadow. A kind of underbelly to existence. And in that sea of Shadow is a being that was called the Shadow Leviathan. It could be XT. Or a servant of XT. Who knows. But my theory is that this leviathan kind of acts as a sentience of shadow.

So, basically how it goes is, I think XT is almost like a force of entropy. Or Anti-Anima if you will. Underneath it all, there are pockets of corruption bubbling in the dark places. These act as places where XT can manifest. XT is the Anti-Anima. I think implying an elder god tier of power means that it is basically a sentient aspect of non-existence. At any point, the anti-anima force can manifest in pockets of Shadow. It can act in a way that corrupts existence because like anti-matter and matter, anti-anima and anima would cancel and leave void, whether or not XT is there actively. Anti-Anima can also be tapped and used for great power, whether or not you are even aware XT exists.

But using Anti-Anima, or helping spread it, is kind of like a beacon to XT. It also acts as a corrupting force on the mind of the user, further pushing them into the desire to "cleanse" the universe. They also start thinking of XT, as XT is drawn towards the corruption. And this redoubles their desire, and begins their devotion to XT in particular.

Ultimately, XT i think is simply a sentient aspect of non-existence and foil to the elder gods. It is drawn to corruption pockets, as if by instinct desiring to expand and consume. Then it starts acting more willfully.

29-Jun-2019 18:27:01 - Last edited on 29-Jun-2019 18:27:23 by Hexie Kazumi

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Moving more on topic. I just like to toot my horn about my theory of XT, sorry =P .

So, the veil, first I think there ought be a distinction between the boundary referred to in the Summer quests. To me that seems more like it's just following the traditional trope of the boundary between living and dead. I think we ought leave that out for now because im not convinced they're the same thing.

I think the Veil could be, as proposed, something the Elders perhaps put around gielinor in particular because they decided to rest here. Adding my own take, I would also propose it forms the boundary between the underbelly where XT lurks and things that exist. But when anima is damaged on some world, this boundary gets weaker, and the Shadow Realm starts leaking in. At which point, it could just sit as a flaw in existence. But if unchecked, and allowed to grow, the expanding corruption will eventually bring more and more powerful manifestations of Anti-Anima, culiminating in the arrival of XT to finish the job.

The Veil I think is just a natural barrier between Anima and Anti-Anima, which if removed would just annihilate things in the degenerated area, leaving shadowy soup. It is tied to the strength of the anima. It is also quite possible that the Elders can strengthen the veil around the planet where they rest, meaning it would require more direct efforts to penetrate than simple messing around with anima. The sinking of Kreath was a direct attempt to pierce the veil, the Kranon probably didn't realize the gravity of what he did at the time. He created a very weak area in the veil when he did that. Thus corruption started leaking into the Eastern sea.

I think also, Guthix being so tied to the anima means him dying could have also greatly weakened the veil of gielinor, to where now XT has noticed a glorious beacon of anima to devour. Which is why in Curse of the Blackstone, the time is finally right to attempt the ritual again.

Those are my cursory thoughts.

29-Jun-2019 18:41:53

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