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Immortalized
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I did desperate times quest a while back

as you all know,
kerapac runs off at the end of the quest. we are supposed to find him on anachronia in the future now.

well that's great and all, but today I just did the curse of the black stone quest. and then I found kerapac as if nothing happened. in his older model too. I would have done this quest before, but I didn't even realize it existed because the quest was not mentioned in any update.

so I am confused, how did I find kerapac after he ran away to anachronia, and then turned back into his old look? did jagex forget to set a quest requirement to desperate times?


also the magister oreb wrote in a journal I found I have killed him many times. I don't even have the slayer level to fight him... what's going on did I enter a time machine or something


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15-Jul-2019 07:12:16 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2019 07:13:43 by Immortalized

Hmm
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Desperate Times is chronologically after Curse of the Black stone, but does not require the completion of it. Kerepac in that quest is further back in the story. This isn't Jagex forgetting the quest existed, but actively chosing to ignore it as a requirement as they are effectively two different stories (and ED1/2/3 are fairly hard for some people).

Oreb writes as if you've done those actions because in terms of story, you've done all the things you can do but haven't, such as having completed all the quests prior to the point you're at, and killing bosses you've never even visited.

15-Jul-2019 12:38:16 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2019 12:39:20 by Hmm

Hmm
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I mean it's not really mentioned specifically anywhere officially, it's just how things are. JMods have mentioned things loosely on streams but it isn't anything more substantial than what I've said or is self evident.

The XauTak story doesn't impact the elder gods story substantially enough for there to be any benefit of doing it prior, and a lot of quests go unappreciated if they have too high requirements and so going forward Jagex is aiming to increase quest adoption rates by not introducing overly complex requirements that don't make sense from a gameplay balancing perspective or otherwise straight up violate logic. In this case, there's no real story benefit from the two quests being played in chronological order, which skirts the recommendation requirement, and there's no strict gameplay benefit, which skirts the absolute requirement.

Meanwhile the story assumption that your character is at the top tier of their power already has to exist for the lore to make sense at all, or these people who meme up skillers in prifddinas with 10 hitpoints kind of break everything, beyond people who'll be playing sixth age quests without having completed the fifth age yet. As such, you've killed Oreb in the story regardless of the actual game, because inevitably you would eventually as you level up, and in terms of lore, it's kind of your role of World Guardian to do these things.

15-Jul-2019 17:11:34 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2019 17:14:27 by Hmm

Hmm
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Sorry, would the same truth from someone elses golden shiny crown make it any more true?

I don't think they'll give in depth official explainations, because the more explaination they give, the more likely it is to create paradoxes, not reduce them. Either way, they'll just Ocamms Razor exactly what I've said back to you.

RuneScape the story and RuneScape the game is not the same thing.

15-Jul-2019 17:33:57 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2019 17:36:50 by Hmm

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ya it would, this is basically the first quest in history that you can do out of chronologically required order that doesn't explicitly mention the previous quest as a recommendation to do prior

what happens if kerapac dies in a future quest and you do this one after? just oh hey he's back again don't worry about it. nah it sounds like an oversight the least they could do is mention it occurs chronologically after it. I already seen him turn into sonic the hedgehog but here he's gray again this is breaking my immersion
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15-Jul-2019 17:38:41

Hmm
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In the past few months, Jagex have removed quest requirements from Ritual of the Mahjarrat and Children of Mah. They have relabeled quests that were previously in a fixed age in the game (exclusively 5th or 6th) into ambiguous. In some quests, they have straight up removed dialogue in order to create this ambiguity, even though the quest was specifically one specific answer when released (I.E, the final dwarf quest used to be 6th age but is now ambiguous).

The answer they give you for today won't be the same answer they give you in a year. In a year, those quests might not even exist, like poor Romeo and Juliet found out about, or they may be reworked into something minorly different, (Witches House), or hugely different, such as the quests that unlock herblore and summoning.

If you're not satisfied with the explaination I've given, I don't think you'll be satisfied with anything they'll give either.

Anyway, I've said my arguements for why it is as it is, if Jagex wanna pop in and denounce my lies I'll be be around.

15-Jul-2019 17:42:46

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