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Summerleaf
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Going back over the transcript from SE, I'm slightly confused, so if someone could help me clarify, that would be awesome.

Did Zaros actually know about Char lying in the cave, or did he lie to her face?

Do we know 100% for sure, or is it just speculation that he did(n't) know?

Thanks!

11-Jan-2017 02:51:44

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Good question, and I asked it on the Lore Q&A. I don't know the answer, but there's reason to suspect either possibility.

In favor of Zaros: Why abandon one of his most trusted and powerful followers?

Against Zaros: He was in Zamorak's mind, and the image of Char, on the floor of the cave appeared there. Either this was a developer oversight, these images were for Zamorak only, or Zaros was straight up lying.
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11-Jan-2017 03:14:29

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It could be either way.

I think it is worth considering a couple of things though:

1. In Zamorak's own words, the Staff of Armadyl is what revealed Zaros's connection to Char to him. As Zaros was not in possession of the staff, this could explain how he could be unaware of Char's situation.

On the other hand, given Zaros was able to see some of our surface memories and thoughts while he was in our mind's threshold, it is also possible that he could have skimmed the image of Char's situation from Zamorak's mind.

Then again, that would also require Zaros to actually be paying attention to Zamorak's thoughts. Given his surprise at Zamorak's plan to break free and his apparent focus on gloating, it's entirely possible that Zaros was too caught up in himself to actually notice Zamorak's memory of Char (if he could sense that memory in the first place).

2. Azzanadra reestablished contact with Zaros and not the other way around (and it was through Azzy he reconnected with his other followers). As much as we know Zaros was to some degree capable of observing Gielinor and exerting his power upon it, we really don't know how much he was capable of through the Communion Portal. In fact, the biggest impact his power had was in the space in between planes (the Abyss) and not on the other side of the Edicts barrier.

Even if we assume his power was not significantly curtailed by the Edicts of Guthix (which could be since he wasn't around to be personally banned by Guthix), Zaros is not omniscient. Even if he did learn that Char had been poisoned and left in a cave by Zamorak, that information isn't all that easy to act upon.

First, the information is several millennia out of date, so Char could have long since passed away. Second, the information that Char is poisoned in a cave somewhere really doesn't give them much of a place to start. Even if the memory included the cave being near Elven lands, that's still a wide area to go looking for a cave.

11-Jan-2017 04:41:17

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They also had less than a year between Azzanadra being freed, and Char's reawakening.

It's also worth considering the fact that it is entirely possible for Char to be reawakened before Azzanadra is freed.

And I think it's also rather telling that as soon as the Azzy and Char learned of the other's survival, they very quickly reunited (as shown by TWW and FotG), so Azzy, at the very least, was likely unaware of Char's survival until then.

11-Jan-2017 04:49:09

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I think the most likely scenario is that while Zaros might have suspected Char's fate, he had no interest in following up on her whereabouts. He probably concluded that she wouldn't be terrifically useful at the time; the effort/resources required to locate her had better applications. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

11-Jan-2017 05:04:30

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It goes back to the books with Perjour and Zamorak. When Zaros sent Char on a mission to Tirannwn, he ordered her and the rest of the crew not to attack but to stay hidden the whole way. This suggests that it might just be that he was trying to check up on Seren while attending to other things, such as setting the Empire up for when he was about to leave. Then I think Zamorak tipped off the Serenists and they ambushed, then Zamorak stabbed Char and left her.

Perjour kept a book on him which transferred his memories and thoughts to Zaros. But Zamorak swapped the book with a fake one before they set off to Tirannwn. This would explain Zaros being unaware of Char's fate at the time while suspecting something wrong, until Zamorak came and attacked by which time it was too late to do anything. Then Zaros was 'killed' and had to disappear to Freneskae in a weak state. It was at the point when Zamorak was in the mind threshold with Zaros and a vision of Char appeared when Zaros became fully aware of what happened to her, but it was too late to do anything.
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11-Jan-2017 08:19:51

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Zaros does not know all and see all.

At the time he had no concept of what betrayal was, so if he could see Char, one of his most powerful and loyal followers poisoned and left for dead with her last whereabouts being with Zamorak and his crew of goonies, it would make him Question why.

Zaros's memory crystals suggest he was off-world for the duration of the lead up and initial start of the betrayal, returning one last time to initially give Azzanadra and Zamorak everything.

Before people complain considering that a lie, that was a memory of his, not something he told us he was going to do but something he thought to himself wanting to do.

I don't see any possible way how he could of known at that point, he had to abandon his body shortly after returning anyway, and while Zaros is a miracle worker he couldn't do much at all from Freneskae with no communion portal as a ball of Darkness.

He may of found out "Afterwards", but not all those years ago. Sliske did after all mention he aided in the liberation of all those who stood before them, Char included. He wouldn't disobey a direct order.
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11-Jan-2017 13:35:32 - Last edited on 11-Jan-2017 13:40:08 by Zulkir

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Ancient Drew said :
It goes back to the books with Perjour and Zamorak. When Zaros sent Char on a mission to Tirannwn, he ordered her and the rest of the crew not to attack but to stay hidden the whole way. This suggests that it might just be that he was trying to check up on Seren while attending to other things, such as setting the Empire up for when he was about to leave. Then I think Zamorak tipped off the Serenists and they ambushed, then Zamorak stabbed Char and left her.

Perjour kept a book on him which transferred his memories and thoughts to Zaros. But Zamorak swapped the book with a fake one before they set off to Tirannwn. This would explain Zaros being unaware of Char's fate at the time while suspecting something wrong, until Zamorak came and attacked by which time it was too late to do anything. Then Zaros was 'killed' and had to disappear to Freneskae in a weak state. It was at the point when Zamorak was in the mind threshold with Zaros and a vision of Char appeared when Zaros became fully aware of what happened to her, but it was too late to do anything.


Yet in the moment where Zamorak "saw the connections" around Zaros, that included Char lying poisoned in the cave.

I think he lied.
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12-Jan-2017 06:26:20

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