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Wahisietel
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I get the feeling that Zamorak is not particularly fond of most of the current Mahjarrat and how they are only interested in their own individual survival, rather than the survival of their species as a whole. From "Bilrach"'s dialogue in Nadir, we can probably gather that he only tolerates their presence because they're useful to him.

Zaros being Khazard's father is impossible, since he was born thousands of years after the Zarosian empire ended.
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

09-Oct-2016 09:17:46

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Wahisietel said :
Zaros being Khazard's father is impossible, since he was born thousands of years after the Zarosian empire ended.


Yes, which is why I stated that I believe Palkeera ended up exposed (intentionally or not) to one of Zaros's attempts at curing the Ilujanka's infertility.

Think about it, Khazard was born near the very end of the God Wars. This is a time when the other major gods are pushing back his forces and begining to back him into a corner. I'd say that's the perfect time for digging through Zaros's old stuff in an attempt to find anything that could help turn the tide in their favor.

09-Oct-2016 10:29:52

Wahisietel
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Hguoh said :
Wahisietel said :
Zaros being Khazard's father is impossible, since he was born thousands of years after the Zarosian empire ended.


Yes, which is why I stated that I believe Palkeera ended up exposed (intentionally or not) to one of Zaros's attempts at curing the Ilujanka's infertility.

Think about it, Khazard was born near the very end of the God Wars. This is a time when the other major gods are pushing back his forces and begining to back him into a corner. I'd say that's the perfect time for digging through Zaros's old stuff in an attempt to find anything that could help turn the tide in their favor.


I don't really see how that would make sense. The Mahjarrat are not infertile, and I don't see how fertility treatment would end up impregnating something.
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

09-Oct-2016 11:46:52

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Hguoh said :
Wahisietel said :
Zaros being Khazard's father is impossible, since he was born thousands of years after the Zarosian empire ended.


Yes, which is why I stated that I believe Palkeera ended up exposed (intentionally or not) to one of Zaros's attempts at curing the Ilujanka's infertility.

Think about it, Khazard was born near the very end of the God Wars. This is a time when the other major gods are pushing back his forces and begining to back him into a corner. I'd say that's the perfect time for digging through Zaros's old stuff in an attempt to find anything that could help turn the tide in their favor.


Nah. Going from a simple biological standpoint, Zaros isn't a Mahjarrat, he's a simulacrum being, Khazard doesn't have any of this mixed into his appearance, he isn't a Hybrid like Moia he's pure Mahjarrat.

So unless Zaros reached out from the deepest part of the universe to meddle in the force, with Palkeera knowing full well he was doing so since she started to write his name, then there's no way that Zaros could be his father.

For the love of god don't be his father >_>
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09-Oct-2016 12:27:46 - Last edited on 09-Oct-2016 12:32:21 by Zulkir

Hguoh

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Wahisietel said :
Hguoh said :
Wahisietel said :
Zaros being Khazard's father is impossible, since he was born thousands of years after the Zarosian empire ended.


Yes, which is why I stated that I believe Palkeera ended up exposed (intentionally or not) to one of Zaros's attempts at curing the Ilujanka's infertility.

Think about it, Khazard was born near the very end of the God Wars. This is a time when the other major gods are pushing back his forces and begining to back him into a corner. I'd say that's the perfect time for digging through Zaros's old stuff in an attempt to find anything that could help turn the tide in their favor.


I don't really see how that would make sense. The Mahjarrat are not infertile, and I don't see how fertility treatment would end up impregnating something.


Zaros's conclusion on solving the Ilujanka's infertility was that he'd need to create life. What if one of his solutions actually managed to do just that: create a new life using the 'mother' as a host?

09-Oct-2016 13:01:03

Hguoh

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Zulkir said :
Hguoh said :
Wahisietel said :
Zaros being Khazard's father is impossible, since he was born thousands of years after the Zarosian empire ended.


Yes, which is why I stated that I believe Palkeera ended up exposed (intentionally or not) to one of Zaros's attempts at curing the Ilujanka's infertility.

Think about it, Khazard was born near the very end of the God Wars. This is a time when the other major gods are pushing back his forces and begining to back him into a corner. I'd say that's the perfect time for digging through Zaros's old stuff in an attempt to find anything that could help turn the tide in their favor.


Nah. Going from a simple biological standpoint, Zaros isn't a Mahjarrat, he's a simulacrum being, Khazard doesn't have any of this mixed into his appearance, he isn't a Hybrid like Moia he's pure Mahjarrat.

So unless Zaros reached out from the deepest part of the universe to meddle in the force, with Palkeera knowing full well he was doing so since she started to write his name, then there's no way that Zaros could be his father.

For the love of god don't be his father >_>


Not biologically. He would have just provided the means by which it happened (think: a broken cloning ray in an abandoned lab accidentally gets activated and imperfectly clones some unwitting explorer).

09-Oct-2016 13:05:03

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I'm honestly surprised that this hasn't been looked into with more detail in a Quest. Although the nature of these sorts of things probably turned off Jagex. Regardless, Khazard's father probably will turn out to be Zaros, just because of the shock value associated with it, even though it will take a lot to justify it...
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09-Oct-2016 15:42:37

Wahisietel
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There's nothing to imply that Khazard's birth wasn't natural, or that it was even an unusual occurrence. For Hguoh's theory to work, Zaros would have to make something in an attempt to cure the Ilujanka's infertility... that somehow ended up making a baby of a species completely different to the Ilujanka, years after his "death". It would also mean that Khazard wouldn't even actually have a father in the first place.

So dismissing that possibility, since Zaros isn't even biologically male, not a Dream of Mah, and was "dead" for thousands of years by the time Khazard was born, for him to be Khazard's "father" through conventional methods would also be extremely implausible.

But at this point I expect they'll reveal Zaros as Khazard's "father" anyway despite it not making any sense, because lolthewatch. Previous content has shown that their quests are entirely about shock value, even if it's at odds with previous content. So I expect they'll just reveal "omg Khazard's father is Zaros look how big and important this quest is" and then come up with little to justify it.

Khazard's father shouldn't have even really been a plot point in the first place. Attempting to put "who's your daddy" family drama onto a cruel dictator who kidnaps people (including children), makes them fight for him because he finds it funny, kills his own guards when he's angry, and sends his troops to kill gnome children is just stupid , and should not have been allowed to happen in the first place.

His father was certainly not considered an important plot point in the minds of Jagex before DAT (to the point where, when someone asked who Khazard's dad was in a Q&A, the only answer given was "a powerful Zamorakian&quot ;) .
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

09-Oct-2016 16:00:50 - Last edited on 09-Oct-2016 16:02:55 by Wahisietel

Hguoh

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Wahisietel said :
There's nothing to imply that Khazard's birth wasn't natural, or that it was even an unusual occurrence. For Hguoh's theory to work, Zaros would have to make something in an attempt to cure the Ilujanka's infertility... that somehow ended up making a baby of a species completely different to the Ilujanka, years after his "death". It would also mean that Khazard wouldn't even actually have a father in the first place.

So dismissing that possibility, since Zaros isn't even biologically male, not a Dream of Mah, and was "dead" for thousands of years by the time Khazard was born, for him to be Khazard's "father" through conventional methods would also be extremely implausible.


To the first paragraph: all that requires is that the 'solution' Palkeera found create a new life form based on and utilizing a presented source material (aka: the mother). And while the explanation may not provide Khazard with a biological father, Zaros, as the creator of the method by which Khazrd was conceived, would functionally be Khazard's father.

To the second paragraph: of course it wouldn't be through conventional methods. That being said, Khazard's conception wasn't conventional to begin with. Consider what we know about Mahjarrat reproduction: the ritual of enervation. From Memoriam crystal s03 (Nightmares), we know that the Ritual works by siphoning off excess energy from Mah in order to form a new Mahjarrat. Due to Mah's absence from Gielinor, this couldn't have happened. And while we normally have attributed Palkeera's weakness to Mah's absence, perhaps the reason for it lies more in how Khazard was conceived as opposed to where.

I get that you personally don't like the idea, but I wouldn't say that it makes little/no sense.

09-Oct-2016 21:01:57

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