RuneScape Forum Archive | Why Moia and not Billyboy?

Byzantinist

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AesirWarrior said :
Honestly they both seem pretty equal to me, just fulfilling different roles. In Dishonour Among Thieves Zamorak refers to Bilrach as his right hand and Moia as his left. Moia seems to lead Zamorak's forces and spy-network, while Bilrach could be more of an advisor. Zamorak states in Dishonour Among thieves that he's more useful at his side... it might be because of a personal attachment rather than a strategic one...

After Moia came, Bilrach remained the confidant of Zamorak, whereby the rivalry between the two to their god was not diminished. This is comparable to something like with two secretaries of a boss. The boss has known the first secretary for a long time, she trusts him, and knows everything about him, does the intimate things that nobody should know about. The second is jealous of the first and wants to prove to the boss that she is just as good.

Bill had become the 'ruler of the underworld', letting huge tunnel systems and chambers drift into the earth to make everything under his thumb disappear. He was still developing more and larger projects, for which more and more people were needed, who were arbitrarily kept and slave-operated and had to die. The gigantism of this terrible and restless mass slayer is unprecedented, becoming too wicked until Zamorak becomes aware of him.

What Bilrach did was sacrosanct to his master, which is why Moia could not 'tell' anyone what really happened to him. It was like a legacy that should not be hurt. The god of chaos wanted to prove that he is just as good as long as he lives. Moments before reaching rift, he had reached the zenith of his ruthless career, for nobody outside needed a slave driver Bill. Sometimes one must operate within the

shadows

to serve the

light

. For a man makes no noise over a good deed, but passes on to another as a vine to bear fruits again in season, in order that the world may ever be new.

20-Nov-2017 12:04:20

Byzantinist

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Raleirosen said :
She's probably more indoctrinated than any of the Zamorakian Mahjarrat. So, the reason she's second is probably similar to why Azzy and Zilyana are second: 110% guaranteed loyalty.

Loyalty isn't an issue; Moia was lucky, she had only gotten somewhere when she ventured through Bilrach’s underground empire, as it was he who first took her under his wing, shrouded within his vast engineering apparatus. Without him, she would’ve never tasted a scent of the incredible power within his grasp, and would’ve never got to know Zamorak.

Within a year after Guthix's death, Bilrach would bring the baleful breath from the dungeons of Daemonheim onto the people of Gielinor. Once the demon-king had appeared on stage, becoming an “advisor” would be the least he deserved for his extraordinary efforts.

Moia's mind-reading abilities have made her a useful “people person” with potential to say the least, and she seems much more relatable to us with her human side throughout the Battle of Lumbdrige. The very thought of her killing Bilrach has a place within Zam's philosophy, bettering and gaining her superior's power for herself.

It's obvious that Zamorak required a man with a plan when things at the front would get bad; judging on his management skills throughout the ages. Most promeninently, Zammy didn’t need this horrible slave driver to lead their armies, for the sake of his already scarred rep. Sometimes one must operate within the

shadows

to serve the

light

. For a man makes no noise over a good deed, but passes on to another as a vine to bear fruits again in season, in order that the world may ever be new.

20-Nov-2017 12:38:00

mangomanga22

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Affirmative action?

20-Nov-2017 16:33:19

Maiden China

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Raleirosen said :
She's probably more indoctrinated than any of the Zamorakian Mahjarrat. So, the reason she's second is probably similar to why Azzy and Zilyana are second: 110% guaranteed loyalty.

was going to say this, in slightly different words

she believes his philosophy in more than just a 'whatever benefits me' or an 'im kind of in love with zamorak' way. She actually thinks this worldview is beneficial to everyone Carn

21-Nov-2017 06:58:20

Edcy

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Yet again the humans babble about differences between powder, while completely blinded towards the true aspect that is the unknowledge. For to my eye, this abomination seems to have aura of something different than others, for any god know what all experiments his so called father made... Not far from what Guthix did to his toys, i assume.

21-Nov-2017 21:08:44

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22-Nov-2017 02:48:29

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Resherack

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im assuming blirach is more of the man behind the curtain aka the one who actually develops/manages the most important stuff. As that would explain why hes zammys right hand and hasnt been leading armies as of late, and seeing how he was also able to coordinate and basically build an entire underground empire by himself for zammy it would make sense if zammy wanted to keep him as his silent workhorse.

28-Nov-2017 03:56:00

MystLunaris

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I made a fairly long post, but by the time I posted I'd ended up logged out...
So I'm just going quickly summarise what I said.
Looking at this from a different perspective it might be due to the old adage of "Keep your friends close but your enemies even closer"
He knows that Bilrach and Enakhra are going to be fiercely loyal to him almost no matter what.
Moia is still somewhat more of a wild card, although she has shown her loyalty various times, she has had some conflicting views about the ways of Zamorak and it's difficult to tell her true intentions of siding with Zamorak.
By giving her a position of power he's likely to gain more loyalty from her and be able to keep a much closer eye on her, with all her various important duties keeping her occupied and unable to scheme against him. And any failure in her duties may help give him an early warning sign that she's plotting against him.
Of course, scheming against him to steal his power is something he may in fact encourage, but that also doesn't mean that he's willing to actually let someone defeat him. 99-120 Skill content , Skilling boss ideas , Talents , God Emissary D&D/Minigame , Vampyric and Elven tech trees

28-Nov-2017 14:25:14

Ancient Drew

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With Moia, it was a case of being subject to abuse by Lucien, and depending on her thoughts (which were likely conflicting), she could choose to betray Bilrach to the other Mahjarrat (and obey Lucien in hopes of pleasing him), take Daemonheim for herself, or keep her mind open and see what Zamorak was about (possibly being confused by what she took as a gesture of kindness by Bilrach). So basically her choices were Lucien, herself or Zamorak.
When Moia met with Zamorak, her humanity kicked in and she openly questioned him when he burned the village, but he pointed again and she noticed the villagers waking up and putting out the flames.

Any Mahjarrat at all only has one objective; survival. This is achieved by gaining strength, hiding in obscurity or digging holes, being crafty, siding with the bigger kids in the playground (or just being one of the bigger kids), anything to keep from being the weakest and therefore next in line for the rituals. Zamorak felt this could only be achieved through chaos and taking on obstacles, likely having survived through taking any advantage he could find and getting stronger all the time. Bilrach may or may not have been there since Freneskae, but Moia has only been around for a year, and it's possible that Zamorak trusts Bilrach when he says that Moia has potential and has inherited the best parts of being human and Mahjarrat. It might be that she strikes that balance between power pursuit and survival instincts of the Mahjarrat, and the flexibility, ingenuity and moral integrity of humankind. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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28-Nov-2017 15:18:43

Snowskeeper

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She's his second precisely because, as you noted, she's prospered despite the fact that everything was set up against her. The only people who provided her with anything even remotely resembling assistance viewed her as a slave and tool; everyone else was either ignorant of her existence or out to destroy her. Despite this, and despite being weaker than most Mahjarrat (at least, to begin with), she managed to survive and even keep pace with Zamorak.

It probably also has something to do with the fact that she accompanied him on his journey after the two of them left Daemonheim, which, as others have noted, probably led to her believing in his philosophy more strongly than most (whether that's indoctrination or understanding is up to you to decide, I guess; I wouldn't personally call it the former, because it implies deception. Pretty sure Zamorak's not lying to her about it).

And, honestly, I think she's probably a better leader and strategist than Bilrach, whatever the differences in their power; due respect to him--he got the job done--but the one leadership position we've seen him in ended in something of a disaster for nearly everybody involved. The Battle of Lumbridge wasn't Zamorak's finest moment, but at the very least, it demonstrates that she's as competent a leader as any Saradominist. And unlike all the other Zamorakian Mahjarrat, she was actually there for him when he needed her. A Zamorakian lorehound, probably.

30-Nov-2017 05:38:33

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