RuneScape Forum Archive | Seren: Why is she remorseful?

Dec

2023

Cthris

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Wahisietel said :
It's easy to forget that the Mahjarrat knew exactly WHY they were doing the rituals (to help Mah), but they agreed to do them anyway. They could have stopped once they arrived on Gielinor, but Zaros enabled them to continue.

They had a choice. Seren is not the only one to blame.
Not really. If they were still being drained, and were cut off from reproducing then they would have all died off somewhere at the end of the 500 or so year cycle. The choice to continue to live is hardly a choice.

Technically Zaros saved their lives, but he also probably could have done it in a way for them not to kill each other, so I'd say it's fair to hold him as culpable as Seren in this.

18-Jan-2017 14:06:50 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2017 14:29:39 by Cthris

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Cthris said :
Wahisietel said :
It's easy to forget that the Mahjarrat knew exactly WHY they were doing the rituals (to help Mah), but they agreed to do them anyway. They could have stopped once they arrived on Gielinor, but Zaros enabled them to continue.

They had a choice. Seren is not the only one to blame.
Not really. If they were still being drained, and were cut off from reproducing then they would have all died off somewhere at the end of the 500 or so year cycle. The choice to continue to live is hardly a choice. And they wouldn't have thought to drain and finish off Mah to permanently infuse themselves either. They didn't even know what happened to her. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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18-Jan-2017 14:17:27

Hazeel

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Wahisietel said :
It's easy to forget that the Mahjarrat knew exactly WHY they were doing the rituals (to help Mah),.

No. They did it because if they didn't make sacrifices, the Muspah would kill them. If they didn't breed, the earthquakes would kill them. They didn't even really know what Mah was. All they knew was a fake Mah. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

18-Jan-2017 16:52:07

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Ages ago, Seren lied.
It was a solution to a much bigger problem when she couldn't think of anything better.
She started something she didn't know how to fix.

Time passes.
She. Left.
Yes, the Mahjarrat left too. Other tribes of Mah perished or whatever.

She pretended to be Mah. She told them of a ritual that would simultaneously help Mah and the tribes (but mostly to help Mah, even if it meant the world wasn't getting torn apart)

Who knows if other options like traveling off world were viable.

To make things worse for her ... look what she did to the elves.
Could Seren have done something similar to the tribes of Mah to save them as well? To do something such that they didn't to do the rituals?

Or better yet, why didn't SHE do the rituals?
She was as much a creation of Mah as the tribes were.
Did it not occur to her to try to soothe Mah's temper tantrums that way?

So maybe it was guilt for what she did. Maybe it was guilt for what she didn't think of at the time. Maybe it was guilt because she wasn't willing to do herself what she made the others do.

18-Jan-2017 18:18:43

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Wahisietel

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Cthris said :
Wahisietel said :
It's easy to forget that the Mahjarrat knew exactly WHY they were doing the rituals (to help Mah), but they agreed to do them anyway. They could have stopped once they arrived on Gielinor, but Zaros enabled them to continue.

They had a choice. Seren is not the only one to blame.
Not really. If they were still being drained, and were cut off from reproducing then they would have all died off somewhere at the end of the 500 or so year cycle. The choice to continue to live is hardly a choice.

Technically Zaros saved their lives, but he also probably could have done it in a way for them not to kill each other, so I'd say it's fair to hold him as culpable as Seren in this.

We know from General Khazard that reproduction is possible without Mah. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

18-Jan-2017 22:23:32

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2023

Cthris

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Wahisietel said :
Cthris said :
Wahisietel said :
It's easy to forget that the Mahjarrat knew exactly WHY they were doing the rituals (to help Mah), but they agreed to do them anyway. They could have stopped once they arrived on Gielinor, but Zaros enabled them to continue.

They had a choice. Seren is not the only one to blame.
Not really. If they were still being drained, and were cut off from reproducing then they would have all died off somewhere at the end of the 500 or so year cycle. The choice to continue to live is hardly a choice.

Technically Zaros saved their lives, but he also probably could have done it in a way for them not to kill each other, so I'd say it's fair to hold him as culpable as Seren in this.

We know from General Khazard that reproduction is possible without Mah.
Okay take a second to think about this.

Khazard was born in the Third age. He was the first Mahjarrat to be born in over 2000 years. In that time, without the rituals, all the mahjarrat would have died or would have been so depleted of energy they couldn't even make a baby.

Not to mention, that it is plausible that Zamorak's divinity was needed in order to fulfill Mah's void. (Perhaps Zaros also could have filled this void too, but I bet he would also prefer to have the mahjarrat kill themselves then give up any power).

They also had a ritual stone by the third age, so perhaps that was also needed to make a baby.

18-Jan-2017 22:37:24 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2017 22:39:34 by Cthris

Hazeel

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Wahisietel said :
We know from General Khazard that reproduction is possible without Mah.

No we don't. We don't know anything from Khazard's birth. Did they find a way to mate on Gielinor? Was Zamorak's divinity involved? Did he need to sacrifice some of it to be a Father? Or did he just take Palkeera back to Freneskae because that was a required? Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

18-Jan-2017 23:12:33

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2023

Cthris

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Hazeel said :
Wahisietel said :
We know from General Khazard that reproduction is possible without Mah.

No we don't. We don't know anything from Khazard's birth. Did they find a way to mate on Gielinor? Was Zamorak's divinity involved? Did he need to sacrifice some of it to be a Father? Or did he just take Palkeera back to Freneskae because that was a required?

Her bloody journal (bloody is the name of the book, i'm not cursing

) even says at the end.

He did it. Created life... Za-

Suggesting Zamorak did something.

18-Jan-2017 23:31:41

Hazeel

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Cthris said :
Her bloody journal (bloody is the name of the book, i'm not cursing

) even says at the end.

He did it. Created life... Za-

Suggesting Zamorak did something.

The question is what. It could have easily involved Mah for all we know or his own divinity. Something outside the realm of normal Mahjarrat. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

19-Jan-2017 00:11:03 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2017 00:11:34 by Hazeel

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