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Hazeel

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Hguoh said :
Isn't one of the prerequisites for something to be an elder artifact that it was a tool made by the elders to help them build the worlds (with the goal of making the perfect world)?

Well in a way that's true. ;P

The Elders Toys were made the placate the youngest Elder Child so she didn't go around destroying things. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

24-Dec-2016 17:06:14

Duke Fishron

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Well, in the literal sense they are elder artefacts, as they are artefacts of an elder god (Mah). Anything the elder gods make can rightly be called an "artefact." I wouldn't necessarily call this a meaningful classification (nor would I really call any other categorization of things made by elder gods).

The defining characterization of Elder Artefacts (capitalized) is that they are objects created by the elder gods to assist in their work. Of these, there are only twelve, as we learn from Guthix in his memories (more precisely, we learn from Guthix who learns from the Blade itself). I think this is a meaningful categorization because these twelve objects have a purpose ; also important is that this purpose is in the process of creation . Zaros and Seren serve no purpose in this process.

So while it's fair to recognize that Zaros and Seren were created basically as tools for an elder god (though it's also important to note they were intentionally created as something more than tools, and I believe we know that the elder gods aside from Mah did not expect anything to exist that could use the Elder Artefacts for itself), I think it's also critical to recognize that the twelve (and only twelve) Elder Artefacts are meaningfully special.

24-Dec-2016 17:52:28 - Last edited on 24-Dec-2016 20:53:52 by Duke Fishron

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ZAmorakZaros

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Hazeel said :
Hguoh said :
Isn't one of the prerequisites for something to be an elder artifact that it was a tool made by the elders to help them build the worlds (with the goal of making the perfect world)?

Well in a way that's true. ;P

The Elders Toys were made the placate the youngest Elder Child so she didn't go around destroying things.
Childish elder -> childish purposes -> childish tools -> childish artifacts

And I am sure Mah gaining her powers back would have helped her with building worlds NO
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25-Dec-2016 10:43:02

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ZAmorakZaros

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Duke Fishron said :
Well, in the literal sense they are elder artefacts, as they are artefacts of an elder god (Mah). Anything the elder gods make can rightly be called an "artefact." I wouldn't necessarily call this a meaningful classification (nor would I really call any other categorization of things made by elder gods).

The defining characterization of Elder Artefacts (capitalized) is that they are objects created by the elder gods to assist in their work. Of these, there are only twelve, as we learn from Guthix in his memories (more precisely, we learn from Guthix who learns from the Blade itself). I think this is a meaningful categorization because these twelve objects have a purpose ; also important is that this purpose is in the process of creation . Zaros and Seren serve no purpose in this process.

So while it's fair to recognize that Zaros and Seren were created basically as tools for an elder god (though it's also important to note they were intentionally created as something more than tools, and I believe we know that the elder gods aside from Mah did not expect anything to exist that could use the Elder Artefacts for itself), I think it's also critical to recognize that the twelve (and only twelve) Elder Artefacts are meaningfully special.
Maybe those two were Mah's sad attempt at creating artefacts. :/

And who knows... Maybe we could use those two to do something. Has anyone tried shaking them to see if something happens?

Maybe no one, not even they themselves, have tried to use them.

We cannot be sure until we try. Maybe we could create mahjarrat by shaking them? NO
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25-Dec-2016 10:50:48 - Last edited on 25-Dec-2016 10:52:38 by ZAmorakZaros

Yarwed

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Is an interesting idea you have that nearly collides with one I 've had in the back of my head, that we should lure both Zaros and Seren to somehow then manage to fuse them up together to one single entity.

One purely analytical with the curse of forced loyalty and another purely spiritual with the curse of forced infatuation.

To me it sounds like Mah's attempt of creating life, gone split into two unintentionally, that we should try to honor Mah by repairing this mistake by fusing them back together.

(edit) Maybe this is something we should do to prove for Jas we are worthy to stay alive, been thinking of it since then.

25-Dec-2016 15:57:02 - Last edited on 25-Dec-2016 16:12:36 by Yarwed

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ZAmorakZaros

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Yarwed said :
Is an interesting idea you have that nearly collides with one I 've had in the back of my head, that we should lure both Zaros and Seren to somehow then manage to fuse them up together to one single entity.

One purely analytical with the curse of forced loyalty and another purely spiritual with the curse of forced infatuation.

To me it sounds like Mah's attempt of creating life, gone split into two unintentionally, that we should try to honor Mah by repairing this mistake by fusing them back together.

(edit) Maybe this is something we should do to prove for Jas we are worthy to stay alive, been thinking of it since then.
Many people think that we should do it. Thing I like about your version is that you did not even mention the word "elder god". Seriously people! The result would be weaker or slightly stronger than Mah, who was stillborn! They would be on the level of a stillborn! NO
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25-Dec-2016 16:41:12

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Kemtros

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I'd like to see if Zaros and Seren's "composition" determines the likelihood of them fusing. For example, if Seren has the dark shard, then she'd be more "compatible" with Zaros' dark nature, and if Zaros was given the light simulacrum, he'd be more compatible with Seren's light nature. Perhaps this could then inform whether or not would be the "dominant" personality of the fusion. If you chose the dark simulacrum and kept the dark shard, your choices emphasize "darkness", allowing Zaros to be dominant. Conversely, if you chose the light simulacrum and discarded the dark shard, your choices would be skew towards "light", making Seren dominant. If you chose the dark simulacrum and discarded the dark shard, then Zaros and Seren would skew towards their own respective elements, while the light simulacrum and using the dark shard would put them opposed to their natures.

I'm curious which of those last two possibilities would make them a "perfect" fusion that corresponds closest to replicating Mah. There are four possible combinations there, so while that might be a bit too much to develop, it would offer some overlap between our picks in how they are now.

25-Dec-2016 22:39:52

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ZAmorakZaros

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Kemtros said :
I'd like to see if Zaros and Seren's "composition" determines the likelihood of them fusing. For example, if Seren has the dark shard, then she'd be more "compatible" with Zaros' dark nature, and if Zaros was given the light simulacrum, he'd be more compatible with Seren's light nature. Perhaps this could then inform whether or not would be the "dominant" personality of the fusion. If you chose the dark simulacrum and kept the dark shard, your choices emphasize "darkness", allowing Zaros to be dominant. Conversely, if you chose the light simulacrum and discarded the dark shard, your choices would be skew towards "light", making Seren dominant. If you chose the dark simulacrum and discarded the dark shard, then Zaros and Seren would skew towards their own respective elements, while the light simulacrum and using the dark shard would put them opposed to their natures.

I'm curious which of those last two possibilities would make them a "perfect" fusion that corresponds closest to replicating Mah. There are four possible combinations there, so while that might be a bit too much to develop, it would offer some overlap between our picks in how they are now.
And how does Eluned affect this? in no way at all?

I wonder what would happen if we threw the rest of the children of Mah into the mix... More darkish? NO
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26-Dec-2016 15:57:46

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Kemtros

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ZAmorakZaros said :
And how does Eluned affect this? in no way at all?

I doubt she would, or if she would have an effect, I wouldn't really know how. Maybe Eluned would make Seren's side "closer" to mortals, but that's a stretch.

26-Dec-2016 17:12:41

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ZAmorakZaros

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Kemtros said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
And how does Eluned affect this? in no way at all?

I doubt she would, or if she would have an effect, I wouldn't really know how. Maybe Eluned would make Seren's side "closer" to mortals, but that's a stretch.
Maybe some of that mortality would rub off to Zaros too... Currently he is the only young god that does not understand mortals NO
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26-Dec-2016 17:49:15

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