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AesirWarrior
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With Sliske's endgame coming up I'd like to share my theory on who Sliske's master is. Well, I say "my" theory, but really it's someone elses that I really liked. You've probably heard it before but hey, let's make a thread about it.

In short, I believe Oreb of House Charron is Sliske's "master". Though it's probably more of an alliance than a master-servant relationship. For those who do not know, Oreb is a character briefly mentioned in The Divine Delusion and Tales of Nomad.

Why would Sliske ally himself with Oreb? To escape Death. Sliske's desire is a simple one, he wants to live, or at least exist, forever. After all, on death he ceases to exist. Oreb has unparalleled knowledge when it comes to the manipulation of the soul. And while his physical body was killed by Nomad years ago, it is incredibly likely that he found out how to transfer his soul to someone else. I believe that after his apparent demise, Oreb was discovered by Sliske. Whether that was as some sort of incorporeal ghost, or posessing another poor soul is irrelevant. What matters is that Oreb would have agreed to teach Sliske how to survive death. That is how Sliske has gained the knowledge of soul transference, as shown in Kindred Spirits, and why he has Oreb's book.

Now, what does Oreb gain from this? He doesn't seem like the kind of person that would help someone to an afterlife out of the goodness of their heart. He wants to be a god. Not just any god, he wants to possess Saradomin himself.

Why would he want to be Saradomin (apart from having phenomenal cosmic powers)? To rule Teragard. Teragard is the birthplace of humanity and the world where Saradomin first ascended to godhood. However, Saradomin has long since abandoned this world and now the ruling magisters fight for contol of the planet. If Oreb were to take Saradomin's body, he would be able to rule the planet by divine right. Anyone foolish enough to resist would be incinerated.

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25-Nov-2016 14:14:27

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I have no doubt the master is Oreb.

But to possess Saradomin? Hm, Oreb could just ascend on his own and return to Teragard under the guise of Saradomin.

Perhaps he wants to become not only a god, but one with a soul too though.
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25-Nov-2016 14:33:04

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Neat theory.

I like it as it covers how Sliske knew so much about souls, and it establishes a neat backstory for Oreb.

If I were Oreb though, I'd probably settle for any god. Or go big or go home and go for an elder god.

God's don't necessarily have the "strongest souls" though, but Oreb has no need for a strong soul- Sliske does if he wants to survive the void (which is probably why he didn't bother to show up in CoM since he has a fraction of our soul- he wouldn't perish like the other Mahjarrat). "We call it being a hero"
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25-Nov-2016 15:51:19

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One way or another my soul will not remain in Sliske's hands.
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25-Nov-2016 17:17:51

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I get the theory that it's Oreb, but I'm not sure about it. Mod Raven did say that they wouldn't be introducing a new character just to be Sliske's master, and I think that would include Oreb, since we read The Divine Delusion immediately before watching that vision. I do think that his appearance in Tales of Nomad is important, but I'm not sure that "Sliske is Nomad's master" is the answer. However, I do think that the Endgame will have something like Saradomin vs Wight!Nomad, and Sliske is going to still be working on getting a soul.

25-Nov-2016 19:51:47

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Kemtros said :
I get the theory that it's Oreb, but I'm not sure about it. Mod Raven did say that they wouldn't be introducing a new character just to be Sliske's master, and I think that would include Oreb.

But that's the thing. Oreb wasn't introduced just to be "Sliske's" Master, was he? He was Nomads first and we had our first "Proper" introduction to him as a character as Nomads master, well technically planting the memories for us to find, but semantics.
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25-Nov-2016 20:13:13

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AesirWarrior said :

Why would Sliske ally himself with Oreb? To escape Death. Sliske's desire is a simple one, he wants to live, or at least exist, forever. After all, on death he ceases to exist. Oreb has unparalleled knowledge when it comes to the manipulation of the soul. And while his physical body was killed by Nomad years ago, it is incredibly likely that he found out how to transfer his soul to someone else.


Strange. I don't doubt Oreb possessing someone else is impossible (guy had a theory on it and all that), but from my understanding in order for that to happen he needs a suitable host for that sort of thing to work. Kinda hard to prove if he was successful or not since we don't have as good grip on his personality as we do for Sliske yet...

But I think it's more plausible that Oreb is still stuck in the underworld as that sinister presence or whatever we saw during Tales of Nomad and is trying to get out. It would still fit in with the possessing the body of a god thing, but something tells me maybe taking over Nomad might be easier since he's dead or badly beaten depending on your choices. And in Sliske's grasp. That's a far easier body to get to compared to Saradomin, and with the Catalyst and Siphon both in Sliske's possession I can see ascension being a tad easier too once he's ready to go.

Now I think of it, I also vaguely remember hearing Jagex toss the idea around of a new(ish?) god ascending sometime during the Sixth Age around the time it all started. If that's still on the cards, maybe this is it?
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26-Nov-2016 04:18:44

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A Mad Hatter said :
It would still fit in with the possessing the body of a god thing, but something tells me maybe taking over Nomad might be easier since he's dead or badly beaten depending on your choices. And in Sliske's grasp. That's a far easier body to get to compared to Saradomin, and with the Catalyst and Siphon both in Sliske's possession I can see ascension being a tad easier too once he's ready to go.

That'd be kinda fitting. It gives reason for Sliske stealing the corpse- as it gives him an opportunity to retrieve Oreb's soul and transfer it into Nomad's body. Which seems kinda fitting considering Nomad's history with Oreb. But whoever the master is, they're specifically interested in the gods- not the artefacts. So I believe they plan to possess a god or something along those lines, rather than ascend. "We call it being a hero"
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26-Nov-2016 04:26:44 - Last edited on 26-Nov-2016 04:26:55 by Half Centaur

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^ But is it even possible to possess a god to begin with? Way I look at it, between the compatible soul/vessel aspect of transferring a soul to one and the fact that gods aren't exactly normal beings due to their divine nature, the idea of going after an existing god (much less one that's probably stronger than you to begin with) seems a bit of an unnecessary risk compared to taking over an existing mortal body and siphoning the power from the other gods once you're in.

And even if it is possible, Oreb strikes me as the type to not show his hand by blatantly trying to take over a major god like that unless it was a sure thing that he can get away with it. Which so far seems unlikely to me until we know more about the nature or Sliske's endgame O_o
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26-Nov-2016 04:52:38

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A Mad Hatter said :
^ But is it even possible to possess a god to begin with? Way I look at it, between the compatible soul/vessel aspect of transferring a soul to one and the fact that gods aren't exactly normal beings due to their divine nature, the idea of going after an existing god (much less one that's probably stronger than you to begin with) seems a bit of an unnecessary risk compared to taking over an existing mortal body and siphoning the power from the other gods once you're in.



I admit, possessing a god is a bit out there. I'm not sure if you even could replace the soul of a god and still retain the power, as I think most of their energy would be intertwined with it. But it might be possible to "merge" souls somehow. For example if Oreb possesses Saradomin then Saradomin's soul/energy is still in there to retain all the power, but Oreb would be the one in conscious control.

Either way, I think the eclipse will probably be a part of some kind of ritual. I find it unlikely that it's jus t to signify that the contest is over, especially when Sliske has mastery over the shadow realm. Perhaps it coud be to siphon the gods' power, like you suggested. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
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26-Nov-2016 19:29:43

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