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Deux Faces

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As Hazel states in his dialogue, he was once a mahserrat, so mahjarrat cannot be their race. His dialogue stated that calling them "tribes" would not tell the full story, but is something akin to that albeit more powerful/binding.

21-Nov-2016 22:13:20

Hazeel

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Something I noticed is the memories of Seren and the downfall of the Mahserret...both of these imply that several of the Mahjarrat may indeed be originals from Mah. It could be that Seren stayed for multiple generations or that Mahjarrat inherit memories from their ancestors. Right now we have Wahisietel, Khazard, and Zemourgal as the only Mahjarrat we can confirm don't belong to the original generation. So if any of them remember, that means that they may inherit memories. I don't fully remember who recalled Seren (aside from Zamorak) but if any of those three remember her, then she either chose to stay for several generations or Mahjarrat inherit the memories of their parents. Then there's the Mahserrat, who didn't use rituals, which means there are no 2nd gen+ Mahserrat.

I'll wait for the transcript to come out to clarify, but right now it seems that Zamorak and Hazeel, at least, are first generation born from Mah.

Something else I notice is that Mahjarrat don't seem to traditionally get pregnant. It sounds like Zemourgal was born very quickly in the little time his mother had to survive. This rules out long pregnancies for Mahjarrat, which begs the question of how Khazard came to be. Either Zamorak took Palkeera back to Freneskae to conduct the ritual or he experimented on breeding based on how other life forms mated. Which again begs the question...why? The way Palkeera worded it, it certainly does sound like he was experimenting and trying to create life. I doubt it was for the same reasons as Zaros, since the Illujanka betrayed him and, as far as he knew, were dead.

In addition with the above, it would seem that Zemourgal survived on Freneskae while still newly born and without parents. Zemourgal Sr., no doubt, expectd this or he wouldn't have put so much energy into creating a child. To me this suggests a confirmation on my theory that Mahjarrat have no child form and are simply born into adulthood. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

21-Nov-2016 23:41:41

Kemtros
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Anyone else notice that Bilrach alluded to Floor 61? We could have gotten that quest, but it lost in a poll to Lord of Vampyrium. Maybe now that Bilrach has been powered up, we can finally get that quest?

22-Nov-2016 16:08:31

Lord Bhaal

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If anything, this quest has shown some future antagonists, Azzanadra the mad, and Zaros the deciever.

Would be about time to have a fight agaisnt a zarosian mahjarrat.
Also very interesting that Hazeel will be trying to retake his domain in the shadow realm from Sliske.
Probably a quest possibility there.

But the strange part is, Zaros is still dieing due to having the wrong simulacrum.
How does this play any part?
So far I haven't noticed it influencing anything much, safe for Azzanadra throwing a hissy fit.
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22-Nov-2016 16:16:51

A Mad Hatter
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Zaxil Nox said :
Elder Mortality

If I'm not mistaken, it was stated by Jagex quite a while back that an Elder God may not "be killed". Implying that they can die through anima deprivation. Nevertheless, Seren is able to put Mah out of her misery at the end of the quest. Does this mean this characteristic of the Elders has been retconned? Or was Seren only able to kill her because she was so severely weakened?

That's not exactly a new thing tbh. I forget the exact wording, but Zaros mentioned in FotG that the elders were a dying race and implied there were more in the past cycles. So they can technically 'die', but look at how Mah died...

* Zaros was drawing power from her

* Mah was already weakened to begin with thanks to her condition

* Her core was corrupted/damaged somehow

So it was in a state that was presumably weaker than what an actual Elder would be in when it's ready to show itself. Seren was just strong enough to put it down for good with all the factors taken into account.

But if we tried doing that? I imagine the original lore still stands in the fact that Elders can't be killed by conventional means. Meaning you can't just take a random sword and go all God of War on it in an epic climbing battle. We're just too weak to pull that off compared to actual divine beings. But maybe specialized rituals and Elder Artifacts might be able to level the playing field a bit under the right circumstances.
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23-Nov-2016 05:06:17

Aquamancer
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Hazeel said :
Something I noticed is the memories of Seren and the downfall of the Mahserret...both of these imply that several of the Mahjarrat may indeed be originals from Mah. It could be that Seren stayed for multiple generations or that Mahjarrat inherit memories from their ancestors. Right now we have Wahisietel, Khazard, and Zemourgal as the only Mahjarrat we can confirm don't belong to the original generation. So if any of them remember, that means that they may inherit memories. I don't fully remember who recalled Seren (aside from Zamorak) but if any of those three remember her, then she either chose to stay for several generations or Mahjarrat inherit the memories of their parents. Then there's the Mahserrat, who didn't use rituals, which means there are no 2nd gen+ Mahserrat.

I'll wait for the transcript to come out to clarify, but right now it seems that Zamorak and Hazeel, at least, are first generation born from Mah.

Add to that list Sliske, who has been confirmed to be Wahisietel's brother by JMods, as well as Lucien, who is Zemouregal's cousin, which furthermore implies that one of Zemouregal's parents and one of Lucien's parents are also siblings. This leaves us, of all the Mahjarrat who were alive at the time of the game, Akthanakos, Azzanadra, Bilrach, Enakhra, Jhallan and Kharshai. My theory is that Akthanakos and Enakhra are of the same generation and likely rather young; Azzanadra is one of the original Mahjarrat; and Bilrach, Jhallan and Kharshai are somewhere in between. Temekel is also likely to be one of the original Mahjarrat.

23-Nov-2016 18:07:00

Hazeel

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I didn't reference Sliske and Lucien because neither were involved in the quest. I just recall that several people mentioned remembering Seren. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

23-Nov-2016 18:27:05

Wahisietel
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Azzanadra is definitely not one of the original Dreams of Mah, since he says himself that he is at the very least younger than, or the same age as, Sliske.

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No, I have known Sliske for my entire life. I do not believe he would ever strive for that.

In the quest, Zamorak is the only one who claims to have memory of Seren. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

23-Nov-2016 22:17:35 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2016 22:17:59 by Wahisietel

Hazeel

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I'm still wondering what goals Zamorak had with Khazard's birth. He was trying to create life according to Palkeera, but it begs the question of what his purpose was. Was he trying to find a way to save the Mahjarrat and breed without Mah? Was he just trying to create life in general?

It's mentioned that this had something to do with his personal life. That could mean that this whole thing was meant to be a secret...but perhaps Zamorak's actually a lot softer than most of us thought. Maybe he was sitting there during the God Wars, bummed out that he had been through so much and had ascended to Godhood without ever starting a family and having an heir of his own. That could be why he adopted Moia as well. Or maybe he and Palkeera had a genuinely close relationship and this was stuff he, given the position he was in, didn't want to share? He certainly does seem a lot closer to his followers than just about anyone, except perhaps Seren.

Wahisietel said :
In the quest, Zamorak is the only one who claims to have memory of Seren.

After rewatching the dialogue, Bilrach says he remembers her too. Not surprising personally, he always gave me the impression that he was a very old Mahjarrat.

So that gives us Zamorak, Bilrach and Hazeel as likely originals. Lucien, Zemourgal, Wahsietel, Sliske, Azzanadra and Khazard are next generation dreams. Akthanakos, Enakhra, and Kharshai are a mystery. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

24-Nov-2016 06:53:50

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Zaxil Nox said :
Some final remarks:
1. Khazard is Zamorak's son. Shocker.
2. Zemouregal is... his own son? Intriguing.
3. Wahisietel is Zaros' and Marimbo's love child. Nah, that's not true. Neither has it been confirmed not to be true...
4. Apparently, "mahjarrat" is no longer capitalised. (Well, it still is in some of the character examines, but I expect those to be updated soon.) Does this (once again) make "mahjarrat" the species' name? I do hope so. I've always found "Dream of Mah" to be a tad... anticlimactic. And inaccurate on top of that, since the muspah are also dreams of Mah.

2. Zemouregal's father was apparently also named Zemouregal. For now, that seems to be basically a bit of interesting and inconsequential trivia.

4. I took that to be a typographical error more than anything else.

29-Nov-2016 20:16:22

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