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Jakir

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I didn't list this as a flaw in my Extinction review because I assumed Seren was wrong, but then I listened to the full RsBandB podcast and realized Jagex intended to make Sliske's death cannon and the reason they gave was "its too obvious he's alive" well no shit it is obvious he's alive he literally took control of our body to comfort Relomia at the end of endgame. Nothing else explains Light and Dark looking exactly like him or what they could have said to cheer up Relomia who was mourning his death. Making Sliske's death the cannon ending and all the blantantly obvious signs he is alive lorefails is terrible writing and would bump my overall score for Extinction down to a 1/10 (better off without it).

However this can luckily be salvaged as the only "confirmation" we have in game for Sliske being dead is the word of Seren which most people immediately discredited on the grounds that she is batshit crazy so her being wrong about Sliske is pretty simple. If you wanted a more complicated lore explanation than "Seren is crazy" perhaps he grows as our shadow anima grows so the fact we just got tapped could explain Seren not sensing him, or Sliske could have hid from her. But killing off someone that has literally talked to people and taken control of our bodies is honestly the worst writing ever.

Like how the hell do you think Sliske died in the exact same way as Zaros if he didn't have a plan for it??? Was it just some wild coincidence or did he maybe have some kind of plan involving transferring the powers of a god to the world guardian who couldn't become a god and thus preserving his soul somehow? And following the fall of Zaros and ascent of Zamorak it is safe to say Sliske would have researched the crap out of the method that enabled it.

12-Apr-2022 11:13:01 - Last edited on 12-Apr-2022 11:25:57 by Jakir

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There's pretty blatant evidence that Sliske is alive, as you've said with the Light/Shadow masks, the WG suddenly blacking out near Relomia, The literal energy transference we witness when striking Sliske down, and I believe that having been powered up by the Stone (He was contending with the power of both Seren and Zaros, that's something that absolutely necessitates the Stone's power to endure, not even Lucien in his Prime was that strong), he absolutely had the power and knowledge he needed, to transfer his soul before it went to the Void/Non-existence that Mahjrarrat and Gods would usually suffer, Tier 2 Gods excepted.

If Zaros, as a God, can make his soul survive entirely in an ethereal form on corporeal death, then it's not at all far-fetched that a Powerful Magician high on Elder-juice, can perform a knock-off version of that trick by pouring his soul into another physical vessel instead, that being us, the player, we are the vessel.

I mean, if what i've gathered from your post is correct, Jagex want to ditch what could potentially actually be a good plot point for the future?


Oh and by the way.
There should be a second Elven civil war soon.
Seren did kinda throw them to the wolves, dooming them to extinction, some elves for a second time, in favour of the very beings that wanted to consume them all.
There can absolutely be no way that all Elves are going to be okay with that, even if they are hooked on her crystals. Even the mind-control must have a limit, I think Universal Omnicide is going to make them a little bit upset, you know.
I think it'd open up an avenue to have a sort of reverse-version of prior quests, where maybe the Iowerth are the good guys now.

13-Apr-2022 00:56:40

T Ancalagon
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Maybe they just added that dialogue at the end of extinction to retcon the "part of Sliske lives within the world guardian" angle. Perhaps they realised they didn't know where they were going with that and that Sliske has had more than his fair share of the spotlight.

Personally, I was glad when we finally killed Sliske and I eyerolled hard when it appeared that part of him possessed my character. They can't string a character out forever and Sliske's constantly having an ace up his sleeve was getting repetitive and dull. We have so many other great characters that have received little to no attention. We don't need any part of Sliske top remain alive imo.
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20-Apr-2022 07:14:02

Jakir

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But the fact is, they did make it blatantly clear he was still alive or at least his consciousness existed within us. Hell the Light and Shadow masks HAVE HIS FACE and also use the same voice as Sliske. So even if Jagex didn't have a plan for it they led us on about some kind of plot twist for SIX YEARS regarding him doing something in our soul and a lot of people were looking forward to seeing what that was. To take the attitude of "that was too obvious so we changed it haha we're so quirky" is just another slap in the face to anyone that actually pays attention to the lore and looks forward to where the story is going and maybe spent some time in the 6 years they gave us to think about it actually theorizing about where it could go.

tl;dr if Jagex leaves a cliffhanger in the game for 6 years but doesn't have a plan for it the policy should be to brainstorm a halfway decent one an not just retcon it out of existince and give everyone that was hyped for the hype thing they set up a giant middle finger after 6 years of waiting.

I mean assuming a new lorehound actually manages to navigate the clusterfuck that is the current quest timeline and tries to do them in order (goodluck) and has Duradel alive in the 6th age only to do a quest where he dies in the 5th age and gets replaced and still cares what the lore has to say what is that player supposed to think when they do Endgame and have Sliske talk to Relomia only to do Extinction next and have it be confirmed he was dead a quest or two after he talked to someone??? Shit like this is why the lore community doesn't get new members.

06-Jun-2022 04:44:09 - Last edited on 06-Jun-2022 04:51:37 by Jakir

A Mighty

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It's confirmed in Twilight of the Gods that the shadow voice is a manifestation of Sliske, so it probably spoke to Relomia.
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09-Jun-2022 04:09:16

William Witt
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Apparently it wasn't well-communicated within Jagex either, as the actual dev for Extinction believed it was Sliske and wrote dialogue to that effect in the Eye of Het miniquest (before being corrected). Mod Jack has explained this retcon was conceived shortly after the release of Endgame. So as of Endgame, it was indeed intended to be Sliske - but in later content it was already planned that it wasn't. The entire time we've had the Light and Shadow Masks talking to us, it was never him.

Personally I'm hoping that they end up deciding it was him and he bodysurfed to Relomia (explaining her blue and green masks which she mentions in Once Upon a Time in Gielinor). So she has the real deal, and we just have masks flavored with his essence from the short time he spent inside us.
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11-Jun-2022 06:37:32

Cthris
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Do the masks really need to be Sliske? The"lorefail" is only created if you assume this to be true.

What I mean is that why can Sliske not be also present within the World Guardian's psyche independently of the masks? In the last quest, it was said that the masks are gifts from Guthix, being embodiments of knowledge from both Sliske and Guthix. But could not Sliske have subverted this plan somewhat when he used the SOA and also implanted his conscious as well, allowing him to occasionally take over as well?

To put it another way, could it not be that there are three entities inhabiting the player character: Light Mask, Dark Mask, and Sliske.

If this is the case, there would be no issue with Seren saying the masks are not Sliske, because Sliske would be independent of them.

then if and when the World Guardian loses their world guardian powers, there is no guarantee Sliske would go as well. Although I do like Kit's body surf point.

11-Jun-2022 14:50:21 - Last edited on 11-Jun-2022 14:55:18 by Cthris

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