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Deacon Zonos

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Marine Doge said :
I think a demon turns to ashes regardless of if they're a projection or not. Born from the flames and all. That said, I don't think we see flash mobs entering through portals do we? I've never checked them out, so, if not, they're probably just spawning their projections in those locations.
And I don't think Avernics can consume to empower themselves like a Chthonian can? Obviously they can consume things, but I don't think it's nearly the same as what a Chthonian demon does, so Thammaron eating his servants wouldn't have saved him. That said, he still could have called for help.

Also, Thammaron probably came to Gielinor because he'd be much more powerful that way - their forms are less powerful if projected.
A part transcripted directly from Malleus daemoniorum, a book given to you by brother Celerity on Edgevile Monastery:
"[...] But in this, take heart: breaching the veil of this world causes them terrible wounds. Before it may unleash its fury upon the world it must first shed the blood of its closest followers.

Each general is accompanied by many companions. The general will slay each footman in turn and the blood of its sacrifice will fuel its rebirth.

Once they lie dead, the general will turn upon his lieutenants and in betrayal drain them of energy to become mighty indeed."

Hope this helps answering the question. Assuming the demon flash mobs are Avernics (they can't be chronians due to their apoearance and can't be Kal'ger because all kal'gerion demons are aligned to Zamorak and half the demon flash mobs are zarosian) I think it's safe to assume Thammaron, along with the other elder demons, is able to consume companions for healing.

10-Jun-2017 21:41:51

Hazeel

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It always struck me odd how he died. Apparently he can duel Zaros' finest while outnumbered 100 to 1, but then he gets destroyed by a few worthless Golems. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

10-Jun-2017 23:20:48

Thammaron

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Hazeel said :
It always struck me odd how he died. Apparently he can duel Zaros' finest while outnumbered 100 to 1, but then he gets destroyed by a few worthless Golems.
Especially when they're dwarf size compared to us. Even a lesser demon could cleave five of them without trouble. I think The Golem, while a good quest in the old days, seriously needs a rework.

10-Jun-2017 23:38:43

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AesirWarrior

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I thought I already poster here. Oh well.

I think it's worth pointing out that the Avernic book is incredibly biased. It's very clearly characterized by Relenor's Saradominist faith. Not to mention the demon Relenor interrogated could have been lying. The amount of demons being projections could have been grossly exaggerated.

I also think it's a bit strange a projection would leave a skeleton. Presumably they turn to ash the moment the connection is broken. "Bleeding out" is something I imagine only demons who are physically here could do. Besides, if Thammaron was alive, don't you think he would be the one to rule Pandemonium and not Gree'Gar?

I think you might be underestimating the golems though. Sure, the golem we meet in the quest is old and fragile, but that doesn't mean all the golems were like that. The age of the Saradominist Colossus as stated in Top Trumps matches up with the battle of Uzer, so I imagine Uzer also had large Colossi protecting itself. The golem we met in The Golem could be the equivalent of a foot soldier, while the Colossi were war machines. Even without the Colossi there's still only so much Thammaron could take before he's overwhelmed. -

I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?

- We call it being a hero.

11-Jun-2017 00:15:47

Thammaron

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AesirWarrior said :
I thought I already poster here. Oh well.

I think it's worth pointing out that the Avernic book is incredibly biased. It's very clearly characterized by Relenor's Saradominist faith. Not to mention the demon Relenor interrogated could have been lying. The amount of demons being projections could have been grossly exaggerated.

I also think it's a bit strange a projection would leave a skeleton. Presumably they turn to ash the moment the connection is broken. "Bleeding out" is something I imagine only demons who are physically here could do. Besides, if Thammaron was alive, don't you think he would be the one to rule Pandemonium and not Gree'Gar?

I think you might be underestimating the golems though. Sure, the golem we meet in the quest is old and fragile, but that doesn't mean all the golems were like that. The age of the Saradominist Colossus as stated in Top Trumps matches up with the battle of Uzer, so I imagine Uzer also had large Colossi protecting itself. The golem we met in The Golem could be the equivalent of a foot soldier, while the Colossi were war machines. Even without the Colossi there's still only so much Thammaron could take before he's overwhelmed.

That's my issue with demons these days. The same goes for Zebub, who simply vanished from the lore. The game hasn't been very clear on these subjects. As for Thammaron, I don't know how they accept someone as their leader on infernus. It's entirely possible, albeit unlikely, that he's still alive, weakened, and not fit to rule his big noble house anymore.
I agree with you on the golem part. A clay golem the size of a saradominist golem from the BoL might have had a chance against Thammaron. Which is also why The Golem quest should really be worked. Maybe they could increase the size of the basement, make it look better, add huge golem parts scattered around and replace Thammaron's skeleton with a big mound of ashes.

11-Jun-2017 01:00:41

Thammaron

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AesirWarrior said :
I thought I already poster here. Oh well.

I think it's worth pointing out that the Avernic book is incredibly biased. It's very clearly characterized by Relenor's Saradominist faith. Not to mention the demon Relenor interrogated could have been lying. The amount of demons being projections could have been grossly exaggerated.

Also, as far as I know the avernic book hasn't been mentioned here yet. The book Malleus daemonorum (which contains detailed descriptions about the demon flash mobs) has been though.

11-Jun-2017 01:02:44

Marine Doge

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Well, we know the chthonians in game are actually here and not projections, and they still drop ashes, so I think they turn to ashes regardless of if they're projecting or not. But yea, I'm willing to bet a solid amount of the demons in game are actually there and not projections.
Regarding the golems, bear in mind they wear probably made with Saradominist enchantments and blessings, so a force of them could hold their own against a force of demons. Mods pls notice me

11-Jun-2017 18:44:15

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Aquamancer

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Marine Doge said :
Demons will either come to Gielinor through a portal, or project their forms onto something from the safety of Infernus (which is likely the case with waterfiends and gargoyles - demons projected onto constructs of water and stone).

Is this actually confirmed anywhere? From what we know, gargoyles and fiends are simply different demon species, not Avernic demons who take an unique corporeal form.

13-Jun-2017 20:12:53

Marine Doge

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It's not confirmed, no, but we know Infernus is a fiery, smokey plane, so I can't really see waterfiends forming their without turning to steam and being polluted as heck. And if I recall, all demons - not just Avernic - are born from the heart of Infernus, (obviously excluding the spawn of other demons like ripper demons) which is just some giant flame or somethin'. I don't think waterfiends and gargoyles are poppin' out of fire.
Mods haven't confirmed or denied it, but Mod Jack said it's a good idea if I recall, so they probably didn't think much about it initially XD

EDIT: Just checked, it's the Avernic book that said all demons are born from the heart of Infernus -- except the author of said book believed Avernic was the name of all of demonkind, so when he said all demons he likely just meant Avernic. So scratch that part. Mods pls notice me

13-Jun-2017 22:05:20 - Last edited on 13-Jun-2017 22:27:17 by Marine Doge

Tlamovec

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I didn't even think that demon can be directly injured - I thought that if you hit him enough, the power inside him becomes so unstable that it kills him from inside, his organ damage caused by his own strength unbalanced from combat damage.

Tho thammy is special - demon with power leak death is rare case. I wonder if these golems had special power drain attack that doesn't only overload demon's body by hits, but drains his energy to power themselves, making even small golems more durable and effective against demons.

14-Jun-2017 01:57:58

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