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AesirWarrior
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Summerleaf said :
AesirWarrior said :
because Endgame implied Vorago was of mortal origin.

Transcripts?

Vorago

Vorago: Player, it is good to see you again. Granted, meeting under these circumstances is not ideal.
Vorago: I'm impressed you've come this far. Even I, 'the Enduring', can feel my power diminishing.
Vorago: I cannot feel the earth as I once did; I feel a sense of separation. This is something that I have not felt in a long time.
Vorago: My mind is opening up, allowing me to recollect past events that have been concealed by the overwhelming urge to defend and protect this world.
Vorago: I am more in control of my thoughts, it's an odd but satisfying feeling to have. I sense forgotten pasts, forgotten stories, and a name I am unfamiliar with.
Vorago: In this state, I worry that I am unworthy of being known as the defeater that I am.
Vorago: I do not expect you to understand, it's something I have little information of myself. The power that runs through me is usually at the forefront of my mind, driving what I believe to be my sole purpose.

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Being "created" from the Anima Mundi does not mean they have to just pop out from the ground. Many things are created from existing parts. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

13-Nov-2017 01:15:36 - Last edited on 13-Nov-2017 01:24:46 by AesirWarrior

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I think it's important we distinguish between "artificial" Nature Spirits and "natural" Nature Spirits. For simplicity's sake I'll also consider some physical beings "spirits" as well. There's a lot of creatures that are considered "spirits" that nevertheless are corporeal, unlike the ghostly Ashuelot or Filiman. Instead of making this overly complicated by trying to debate whether "spirits" have to be incorporeal, I'll just include both.

Artificial spirits:

- Ashuelot Reis and Filiman Tarlock were both just human mortals, who have attuned their spirit to the local nature through a ritual. The only thing we know about the mechanics of this ritual is that it requires "something with faith", "something from nature" and "something of the "spirit-to-become" freely given.

This was most likely something Guthix learned from his connection to the Anima Mundi. It may or may not be necessary to be dead to become a nature spirit.

- The Acolytes of Seiryu's transformation from humans to Spirit Dragons is somewhat similar to the Nature Spirit transformation.

- Guthix could be argued to be similar to a Nature Spirit. His soul became tethered to the Anima Mundi, and he needed a druidic ritual to originally wake him in the third age.

Natural Spirits:

Now "natural" nature spirits (sounds weird doesn't it) is a bit trickier, because we don't know much about them. For simplicity's sake I'll define "natural" spirits as spirits created through the Anima Mundi directly (yes yes I know all Life technically is, but you get the point) , not through Guthixian (or other) rituals.

- Nymphs could potentially be "natural" spirits, but they could just as easily be another species from Renmark, or Guthixian who underwent the ritual. I find the latter fairly unlikely though.

- Most likely the Sea Creatures from the Wushanko Isles

- Hati, Sköll, Fenrir and the Kendal?

Could be either:

- Fossegrimen

- Spirit of Farradorn? Unless it's just her name. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

13-Nov-2017 02:20:34 - Last edited on 13-Nov-2017 02:30:32 by AesirWarrior

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We actually know of at least 2 other circumstances in which Guthix has turned humans (and potentially other races) into different kinds of creatures.
The first is the Balance Elemental.
The second is Cres.
Cres probably didn't go through the same ritual as the others did as we know he died before gaining his new form plus his form is very different from the others.
The Balance Elemental however seems to be much more simmilar to the others, except that it's a fusion of 5 different people into one form. But it's also stated that a ritual was used to make the Balance Elementals simmilarly the Nature Spirits we know of both used a ritual to obtain thier form, although obviously a much smaller scale one.
From this I think it's fairly safe to assume that the Nature Spirits are actually Nature Elementals the fact that we know Nature is a type of magic further backs this up.

Edit: I forgot Filliman Tarlock was dead when he became a Nature Spirit so maybe it is more of a simmilar method to the way Cres was created.

Further Edit: Actually I have a theory that would fit all of the examples.
Life force anima, Divine anima and Natural world anima are all currently classified as different types of anima. (Although the ins and outs of anima still don't seem very well defined)
Anyway what if Guthix created a ritual that could connect Life force anima to another source of anima.
In the case of Cres he could connect his life force anima to the life force anima or natural anima of the tree construct he became.
In the case of the Balance elemental each person had their life force anima connected to natural elemental anima and were then again connected to each other by anima.
And both the nature spirits connected their life force anima to the natural, natural world anima around them.

That theory could even be further related to Tirri, Nirrie and Hallak who are all alegedly Water elementals but seem much more human and also have some kind of connection to each other. 99-120 Skill content , Skilling boss ideas , Talents , God Emissary D&D/Minigame , Vampyric and Elven tech trees

13-Nov-2017 08:59:07 - Last edited on 13-Nov-2017 13:36:54 by MystLunaris

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Also of note Tirri, Nirrie and Hallak are all said to have existed in the First age but we've been told Tumeken and Elidinis arrived around the Second Age.
So it serms even more likely that the Water elemental trio also reffered to as the Spirits of the Elid were created by Guthix somewhen during the First age and converted to the Desert Pantheon somewhen during the Second.

If you really want to go crazy with this whole thing too then you could say that The Kendal was someone that underwent the ritual and bound their life force anima into the life force anima of some other animal. In a simmilar way to how Cres may have had his life force bound into that construct. It could have even been an accident in the case of The Kendall, they may have been trying to become a normal Nature Spirit but were attacked by an animal while in the middle of it and so to save their life instead of connecting their anima to the natural anima they connected it to the anima of that creature. Although that is extremely deep speculation.
You could even add to that and say when the imposter Kendal killed Asleif the real Kendal was responsible for binding her life force anima to the natural world anima around the place making her another Nature spirit.

It's probably much more unlikely that the Karamjan gods were/are anything like this but it is still possible.

Also I know it's off topic but like Marine Doge I'm curious to know if any of the questions we asked in your Vip Q&A thread were answered. 99-120 Skill content , Skilling boss ideas , Talents , God Emissary D&D/Minigame , Vampyric and Elven tech trees

13-Nov-2017 12:19:55 - Last edited on 13-Nov-2017 13:43:05 by MystLunaris

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Actually looking further into it the Karamjan gods do seem to have connections to other parts of this theory.
From the wiki page on them.
"The gods are most prominently alluded to during the Jungle Potion quest, during which the elderly priest Trufitus Shakaya of Tai Bwo Wannai Village wishes to commune with them. To do this, Trufitus must prepare a ceremonial collection of herbs, which will place him in a mental state that will supposedly allow him to speak to the "spirits". Apparently, the gods were angry with the villagers, who fled as a result, although the ritual apparently settled their relations."

Trufitus seems to follow the Druidic naming convention. (Although I'm not actually 100% sure about that) And it's also of note that he needed to prepare some herbs (we all know how linked herblore is with Guthixian druids).
And he says he needs them to speak to the "spirits" which could mean Nature spirits.
The last part about the gods being angry but having the ritual settle their relations seems very simmilar to how Tirri, Nirrie and Hallak acted, causing a ton of trouble while angry but actually being very easy to please.

So it could actually be likely all these things are connected. 99-120 Skill content , Skilling boss ideas , Talents , God Emissary D&D/Minigame , Vampyric and Elven tech trees

13-Nov-2017 13:58:55

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Another extremely crazy part of this theory popped into my head.
Ashulot Reis says Sliske taught her the ways of Guthix, which must have included that ritual.
What if that ritual was how he created Gregorovic, in a simmilar manner to how Guthix created Cres but with a different vessel and some added shadow magic.

Actual wights and anything made through Necromancy are likely made a different, although somewhat simmilar, way though. 99-120 Skill content , Skilling boss ideas , Talents , God Emissary D&D/Minigame , Vampyric and Elven tech trees

14-Nov-2017 12:05:54 - Last edited on 14-Nov-2017 12:10:33 by MystLunaris

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