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Unicornz pwn
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It's a subject that's been on so many of our minds, as new lore continues to be revealed about each of the gods. I've decided to tally up all the acts of genocide each of the gods have committed, direct or otherwise, and the winner will be named Gielinor's Top Genocidal Maniac.

For this thread, acts that have driven races to near extinction will also be counted, and only actions of living gods will be taken into account (Sorry Bandos, no posthumous prize for you). Because this can be seen as subjective, feel free to provide your input if you disagree, or PM me some strongly written hatemail.

Let's get this show on the road.
"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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22-Dec-2016 00:51:42

Unicornz pwn
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Zaros
: No acts of genocide as far as I’m aware of, I suppose we can give him -1 points for contributing so wonderfully to the creation of a new race of beings, the Nihil. If he succeeds in saving the Illujanka, he might find himself sitting with -2 points, an enviable score indeed.

Edit: It was pointed out that Zaros may have been responsible for the widespread extinction of the Auspah, so it is with a heavy heart I must give him him a point.

Seren
: For posing as Mah and introducing the barbaric ritual practices to the 'Children of Mah', which led to them slowly killing off most of their species, Seren is awarded one genocide point. Not to mention how her actions also affected the Cywir in a very poor way, but since the degradation of a subset of elves doesn’t meet my definition of genocide, no further points will be awarded.


Saradomin
: Oooo boy buckle up, this might take awhile. For his participation in the Naragun god wars, and very clear acts of violence against the Naragi, such as the razing of an entire city because they were opposed to blue man worship, contributing to their entire eradication as a whole, Saradomin is awarded one genocide point.

In Sliske’s endgame it is also revealed that Saradomin engaged in the total eradication of a warring native species on the planet of New Domina, and Garlandia’s objection to war is what got her plucked by the wing ripper in chief himself. For his actions on New Domina, Saradomin is awarded a second genocide point.

But wait, there’s more. Saradomin’s constant warring on Gielinor during the third age led the entire centaur race to practical extinction, with this being the reason he sought the wand in DoC, so he could revive them (and possibly create a new army out of them.) If he succeeds in bringing back the Centaurs, I will consider removing a genocide point from his tally, but until that happens he’s stuck with a third one.
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The Hooded Zarosian

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22-Dec-2016 00:51:54 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 02:27:16 by Unicornz pwn

Unicornz pwn
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Armadyl
: No acts of genocide as far as I can tell, but he does seem to be harboring a rather dark secret about his past. I doubt it’s anything as serious as race extermination, but who knows? Until further lore is revealed Armadyl will not be awarded any genocide points at this time.

Zamorak
: His role in the Infernus civil war led to the Avernic to overthrowing their Cthonian masters and slaughtering them. While everyone was probably left better off with the Cthonians removed, far be it from me to make exceptions to the rules, so I must begrudgingly award Zamorak a genocide point.

Along with this, Zamorak’s infamous actions at Forinthy left the entire continent razed and the god wars brought about to a swift end by Guthix. For his role in the utter destruction of the Aviansie here, Zamorak is awarded a second genocide point (something he doesn’t seem too upset about).
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The Hooded Zarosian

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22-Dec-2016 00:51:59 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 00:57:18 by Unicornz pwn

Unicornz pwn
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The Final Tally! (Updated)

Zaros
: 0

Seren
: 1

Saradomin
: 3

Armadyl
: 0

Zamorak
: 2

Which makes Saradomin Gielinor's Top Genocidal Maniac! The score is subject to change as new lore is discovered, and with two new gods on their way things could definitely be shaken up by new reveals.

Did I miss any known acts of genocide, disagree with any of my assessments? Comment below!
"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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22-Dec-2016 00:52:03 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 02:27:42 by Unicornz pwn

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As always your posts are cringy.

How does Zaros have no genocide but you count the centaurs as genocide? Like how is what happened to the Ilujanka any different than what happened to the centaurs? Also how do you not count Loarnabs crew if you count other races on New Domina? He created the Nihil and then stopped creating them
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22-Dec-2016 01:01:31

The Mather1
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You've forgotten the Dragonkin, who should be awarded a point for the eradication of the Kethsians.

Raxxess said :
How does Zaros have no genocide but you count the centaurs as genocide? Like how is what happened to the Ilujanka any different than what happened to the centaurs? Also how do you not count Loarnabs crew if you count other races on New Domina? He created the Nihil and then stopped creating them The Ilujanka were already on a decline towards extinction, Zaros' actions did not contribute towards that, even though they did fail to stop it as he promised.
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22-Dec-2016 01:02:16 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 01:03:52 by The Mather1

Unicornz pwn
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The Mather1 said :
You've forgotten the Dragonkin, who should be awarded a point for the eradication of the Kethsians.
I was only examining acts by gods, but that definitely counts as genocide, just not divinely inspired genocide.

Either way, good point, those Dragonkin have done some naughty things.
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The Hooded Zarosian

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22-Dec-2016 01:04:32

Unicornz pwn
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Raxxess said :
As always your posts are cringy.

How does Zaros have no genocide but you count the centaurs as genocide? Like how is what happened to the Ilujanka any different than what happened to the centaurs? Also how do you not count Loarnabs crew if you count other races on New Domina? He created the Nihil and then stopped creating them
Not cringy enough to stop you from replying sadly. Regardless, it's very clear that Zaros did not directly lead to their infertility, just failed to stop it.

And when you take a peaceful race like the Centaurs, and throw them into a pointless war lasting thousands of years until their numbers are depleted, that makes you responsible. Saradomin wants to act like everyone's daddy, and that means he needs to own what happened to them. In DoC he even voices regret so it's clear he takes responsibility for what happened, but regret doesn't negate your genocide point. Make another thread if you hate this one so much.
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The Hooded Zarosian

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22-Dec-2016 01:08:28

Vardan

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Eh it wasn't Saradomin who pushed the centaurs to extinction:
Fern: Bree and I were his generals. We led the centaurs into battle.
Fern: The war against the gods raged on, for weeks, then months, then year after year.
Fern: The centaur herds were decimated.
Fern: We should have returned to the Enchanted Valley.
Fern: Bree cautioned me to abandon Saradomin's cause, before any more centaurs died in his name.
Fern: I was determined to keep fighting, and because he loved me, Bree acquiesced.
Fern: I was stubborn. I was foolish.
Sir Owen: Then what happened?
Fern: I convinced Elora to come with me to Gielinor, and aid us in the God Wars.
Fern: I urged to use her power to resurrect our people.
Fern: I assured her that if she did not, the centaurs would be extinct.
Fern: I was determined that, if only we continued to fight, we would soon turn the tide of the war.
Fern: I brought the dead and the dying to Elora.
Fern: With great sadness in her eyes, she brought them back to life.
Fern: I sent my people back to the battlefield, to die again in vain.

The blame seems to lie mostly with Fern. She doesn't say it was Saradomin who forced them to keep fighting. I doubt he would've let them all just leave though, so how about 1/2 a point, and if he lets them walk away it gets fully negated.

Edit: I wasn't going to bring this up since it's a waste of time, but since someone else did, what Saradomin did wasn't genocide. If he had deliberately wiped out the centaurs or Naragi then it would be, but he intended to conquer the Naragi not exterminate them, and he sure as hell didn't kill off the centaurs.

His actions weren't morally right but they weren't genocide.
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22-Dec-2016 01:41:20 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 01:51:27 by Vardan

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