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Androme

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Yeah he got mogged kinda bad.

I haven't played RuneScape in many years, but I follow the story (or what remains of it) from time to time.

I really don't understand the power discrepancy between Zaros/Seren and the other gods. Why? To begin with: How can either Zaros/Seren be so powerful seeing as they were both kinda brought back from death, while Saradomin has not only been alive all this while, but recently grown stronger aswell?


Think about how evenly matched Saradomin and Zamorak were in WE1. And now think about just how much immensely more powerful Zaros was portrayed compared to Saradomin in this quest. I watched a YouTube video of it,
he just teleported the crown from his head


Yes, I know Zaros/Seren were directly created by an Elder God, but does that really make them 'that' much more powerful, seeing as both, well, died?

Is it lazy and/or inconsistent writing? Or is there a genuine explanation for this that also makes sense? Not just an explanation, but a good and sensical one?

25-Feb-2021 20:47:22

ShidehTalmai
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Well yes, remember that younger gods like Saradomin where mortals that got power from an elder artefact, meaning from a tool of an Elder god. Zaros and Seren on the other hand as you mentioned where created directly by an Elder God, and its not that they died:

-Seren was shattered, more like a hibernation; allowing her to be near the elves; but not directly.
-Zaros was banished; it was mentioned that he did not die; but in fact abandoned his body; which yes left him weak; however, once he was restored on a new body he was brought back at his full power.

But most importantly; Zamorak, Saradomin, Armadyl, etc. are refered as the younger gods; they probably have just a few hundred or thousands of years; It is mentioned that Zaros and Seren have been alive for Aeons.

"After spending uncounted aeons watching and observing various mortal races throughout the different planes, Zaros came upon Gielinor to establish a domain of his own..."

The power and knowledge they have accumulated in those thousands and thousands of years is more than enough to make them stronger.

26-Feb-2021 14:31:25

Androme

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ShidehTalmai said :
Well yes, remember that younger gods like Saradomin where mortals that got power from an elder artefact, meaning from a tool of an Elder god. Zaros and Seren on the other hand as you mentioned where created directly by an Elder God, and its not that they died:

-Seren was shattered, more like a hibernation; allowing her to be near the elves; but not directly.
-Zaros was banished; it was mentioned that he did not die; but in fact abandoned his body; which yes left him weak; however, once he was restored on a new body he was brought back at his full power.

But most importantly; Zamorak, Saradomin, Armadyl, etc. are refered as the younger gods; they probably have just a few hundred or thousands of years; It is mentioned that Zaros and Seren have been alive for Aeons.

"After spending uncounted aeons watching and observing various mortal races throughout the different planes, Zaros came upon Gielinor to establish a domain of his own..."

The power and knowledge they have accumulated in those thousands and thousands of years is more than enough to make them stronger.

It does make sense, but it's still a plot hole. Because it's completely disconnected from previously established lore.

If Zaros can just teleport wherever he wants and completely mog the person in question, why was there ever anything preventing him from complete and total world domination in the 2nd age?

The discrepancy in power between Seren/Zaros and the other gods as depicted in the recent RS3 lore is way too big to have allowed for the previously established history of Gielinor, when Seren/Zaros arguably would've been even more powerful than they're today, with the younger gods being even weaker, especially Saradomin.

26-Feb-2021 19:10:14

Hazeel

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To be honest, I think the God tiers were a mistake, are needlessly convoluted, and make interactions with the Gods less interesting. Personally I think there should have only been the Gods and the Elder Gods. Gods would have their own abilities, strengths, and weaknesses just like anyone else and would fare differently against each other depending on these strengths and personalities.

I.e Zaros would be the oldest, have the most knowledge of magic, but would probably avoid direct combat and only fight when he had a plan that gave him a clear advantage.

Zamorak would be the best at combat, would use similar magic to Zaros due to his origin, but not be as knowledgeable since he is younger.

Saradomin's magic would probably be the most "human" and while that would have its weaknesses, it would also make him more connected to his followers. Perhaps he would be more willing and able to draw power from his followers than Zamorak would, especially since the latter is too proud and individualistic--as are his followers, who would be less likely to share with him. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

26-Feb-2021 23:31:38 - Last edited on 26-Feb-2021 23:32:17 by Hazeel

Derack
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Hazeel said :
To be honest, I think the God tiers were a mistake, are needlessly convoluted, and make interactions with the Gods less interesting. Personally I think there should have only been the Gods and the Elder Gods. Gods would have their own abilities, strengths, and weaknesses just like anyone else and would fare differently against each other depending on these strengths and personalities.

I.e Zaros would be the oldest, have the most knowledge of magic, but would probably avoid direct combat and only fight when he had a plan that gave him a clear advantage.

Zamorak would be the best at combat, would use similar magic to Zaros due to his origin, but not be as knowledgeable since he is younger.

Saradomin's magic would probably be the most "human" and while that would have its weaknesses, it would also make him more connected to his followers. Perhaps he would be more willing and able to draw power from his followers than Zamorak would, especially since the latter is too proud and individualistic--as are his followers, who would be less likely to share with him. Not to mention how Tiers havend really done anything for the storyline so far.

Sara is T3, so far he hasend really done anything with that power much, and during endgame it was useless. Unless he is gonna sacrifice some power for bringing back the centaurs in Doc sequell. (But, that's some speculation on my part tbh.)

Zamo lost a Tier power and regained it after his quest. He did went toe to toe with Zaros, well, not really much of a fight. (cause buged) and to let Zamo do a sacrifice and bring some drama or twist at the end.)
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27-Feb-2021 15:36:14

Hawkfish

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Question is, is Saradomin still a tier 3 God? Its speculated but not confirmed that he lost power after the loss of his Crown.

But true, with or without the Crown, Saradomin is the rightfull God to rule Guilinor. When I actively played this game I was a devout Saradominist, and I remain so. Sadly it seems our numbers have fallen as of late. Surely now that Zaros is the true evil and Seren a weakling everyone can see that Saradomin is needed more than ever. His Light will save this planet from the evils of the Creators and their vile spawn.
The Light of Saradomin shall guide me

01-Mar-2021 19:27:31

Hazeel

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I'm going to laugh so hard if Saradomin legit lost a tier. Not because I'm Zamorakian, but because that would make BoL so laughably redundant and pointless--even moreso than it already is. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

01-Mar-2021 19:42:39

Last Prophet

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Hazeel said :
I'm going to laugh so hard if Saradomin legit lost a tier. Not because I'm Zamorakian, but because that would make BoL so laughably redundant and pointless--even moreso than it already is.

I imagine he'll begin to lose his divinity the longer he goes without the crown. But something like this would probably not happen in the scope of the 6th age, if j-mod comments on the elder artefacts have any truth to them.

In any case, there's a fascinating instance of character development in Saradomin that would have been nice to see years ago. But now it'll be interesting to see how he handles retrieving the crown or -- perhaps far more likely -- losing it forever.

EDIT: To add to that thought, I envision Saradomin actually surviving the 6th Age but at the cost of his divinity. As the centuries march on, the faithful servants of Saradomin will need to become his guardians, and the enfeebled god-king will eventually pass away in the way of his race. There's a final wisdom in knowing that not even a god can escape the fate of death.
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02-Mar-2021 00:50:48 - Last edited on 02-Mar-2021 01:07:40 by Last Prophet

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