Last Prophet
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Hazeel
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I'm going to laugh so hard if Saradomin legit lost a tier. Not because I'm Zamorakian, but because that would make BoL so laughably redundant and pointless--even moreso than it already is.
I imagine he'll begin to lose his divinity the longer he goes without the crown. But something like this would probably not happen in the scope of the 6th age, if j-mod comments on the elder artefacts have any truth to them.
In any case, there's a fascinating instance of character development in Saradomin that would have been nice to see years ago. But now it'll be interesting to see how he handles retrieving the crown or -- perhaps far more likely -- losing it forever.
EDIT: To add to that thought, I envision Saradomin actually surviving the 6th Age but at the cost of his divinity. As the centuries march on, the faithful servants of Saradomin will need to become his guardians, and the enfeebled god-king will eventually pass away in the way of his race. There's a final wisdom in knowing that not even a god can escape the fate of death.
Why do you think Saradomin would lose his divinty? He's been a God for centuries, the oldest of the current ''young'' Gods. None of the other God's lose their powers slowly without the artifacts.
Hawkfish
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Last Prophet
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Hazeel
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I'm going to laugh so hard if Saradomin legit lost a tier. Not because I'm Zamorakian, but because that would make BoL so laughably redundant and pointless--even moreso than it already is.
I imagine he'll begin to lose his divinity the longer he goes without the crown. But something like this would probably not happen in the scope of the 6th age, if j-mod comments on the elder artefacts have any truth to them.
In any case, there's a fascinating instance of character development in Saradomin that would have been nice to see years ago. But now it'll be interesting to see how he handles retrieving the crown or -- perhaps far more likely -- losing it forever.
EDIT: To add to that thought, I envision Saradomin actually surviving the 6th Age but at the cost of his divinity. As the centuries march on, the faithful servants of Saradomin will need to become his guardians, and the enfeebled god-king will eventually pass away in the way of his race. There's a final wisdom in knowing that not even a god can escape the fate of death.
Why do you think Saradomin would lose his divinty? He's been a God for centuries, the oldest of the current ''young'' Gods. None of the other God's lose their powers slowly without the artifacts.
Maybe over the scale of millennia rather than centuries.
I've probably been away too long and am falsely remembering J-mod Q&A's, but it seems only logical to me that a god without their ascending artefact would eventually fizzle out. Stars are undying from our perspective, but they do exhaust in their own time.
If I remember correctly, every god has had some encounter with an artefact or some other power source since their ascension that could serve as an explanation for their continued divinity.
Anyway, this all seems hypothetical and unexplored by current lore so, soz OP
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No, there's nothing in the lore suggesting gods grow weaker without artefacts. Armadyl has been without an artefact for millennia, same with Bandos. And if we want to go there; Zaros and Seren aswell (even if they didn't ascend).
In Azzanadras quest, if the player does not warn Saradomin
Azzanadra will teleport in, teleport the crown from Saradomins head, and demand his surrender because "he is now powerless without his crown". Saradomin will explain to him that he shouldn't believe everything he reads in books (refering to the book that was researched in the mage tower along with the Zarosian mahjarrat), and then teleport the crown back on his head.
There's just way too much plot holes in the story in my opinion. Saradomin posessed the Stone of Jas for most of the God Wars until the very end, but refused to draw power from it? Zaros can randomly teleport in, and force posession of elder artefacts carried by other gods, but he was afraid of an "alliance of gods" if he kept expanding in the 2nd age?
Yes, god tiers are useless information that was given to us as meta-lore (they're not exactly acknowledged in-game), and should be declared non-canon in my opinion by Jagex. Power difference between the gods should be more blurred as opposed to the current rigid way of thinking that must somehow be colouring the devs while they're writing for the game.
RuneScape has great background lore, the new quest series looked so promising that I returned to the game for the first time in 5 years (I also enjoy the non-lore content in the game).
Do not disappoint us Jagex. Do not give hints to only abandon them and never acknowledge them again (Saradomin was actively searching for new elder artefacts while gone during Azzanadras quest). What interesting turn of events would it be if Saradomin was to whip out The Hammer artefact in combat against Zaros in the future?
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abandon things that are holding you back, such as "god tiers".
I agree with you that the tiers are arbitrary but I think they are just an indication which makes it easier to understand that Zaros, Seren and Guthix were tough cookies.
Also, Saradomin stated in a mission that he used the Eye of Saradomin to gain power, he says so when he rescues his loyal commander and heals her. The ''Stone of Jas'', its proper name is the Eye of Saradomin! Sadly its destroyed..
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Yes, god tiers are useless information that was given to us as meta-lore (they're not exactly acknowledged in-game), and should be declared non-canon in my opinion by Jagex.
Um... They actually are canon and have been acknowledged in game. The following is from Dishonour Among Theives post-quest dialogue when you ask Zamorak about gaining power from the stone of Jas:
Zamorak: I was able to absorb a lot of power from the Stone within a short time, almost as if I was re-energising stores that already existed within me. As the World Guardian, you were only able to channel the Stone's energy temporarily, whereas I was able to fully absorb it in order to permanently increase my strength.
I recall that the humans of the Second Age drafted a hierarchy containing
seven tiers of godhood, from demigods to Elder Gods.
In this crude quantification of power
I believe I have risen a tier, regaining the power I lost to Saradomin.
I feel like OP is the type of anon in /vg/, since there is one of the few places left with pro Saradomin players.
I personally find the whole situation hilarious and even refreshing. Zaros used to be an interesting character for me when he was more mysterious and their supports are few. Now he acts like a manchild most of the time, Sliske's End game was one of the first times he demonstrated this quite obviously, but part of the fanbase was unable to notice it.
And after seeing the repercussions from the community, especially Zarosian fans I also started to believe in the memes that compare Zaros to the"incel god"
Power scaling and tiering will always be arbitrary and unreliable. Who wins in a fight has too many factors to have some scale determining exactly what an outcome should be based purely on power. How someone can use their power may also vary.
What bugs me more is what they've been doing with Zaros' characterization. Having him up and ditch his followers to potentially get poached by other gods detracts a lot from his appeal. I don't even mean that in the context of factions but even as an antagonist. Having the biggest empire and followers staying loyal to him for so long after its fall and his apparent death ought to speak for some degree of competent leadership and isn't something that should be arbitrarily thrown away as if none of it mattered. Even a top tier god just isn't going to solo the entirety of several god factions. Even ignoring other reasons it's a huge waste of resources that would ultimately hinder future goals and leave you without a solid base of allies to handle the stuff you can't attend to personally. Relying on that to justify him failing at whatever objectively bad thing he needs to be stopped from doing seems kinda lazy and unsatisfying, while using it to eventually kill him off would be just plain wasteful.
Zaros works best as a Lawful Neutral sort who isn't really setting out to purposely antagonize people but sometimes does on his way to accomplishing goals that his followers would have understandable reasons for supporting. He's a lot more interesting and threatening if he's shown to understand the value of cultivating and maintaining a reliable base of followers and keeping them in mind when accomplishing his more personal goals.
Using him that way would also offer more versatility in where to take his plotline in the future such as reconciling with Seren.
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