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Falcoshin

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Cthris said :
Falcoshin said :
Pretty much the entire faction save you.


Most of don't think Zaros is perfect or even a good god, we see him as neutral.

Personally I see him as the best choice, the best tool for gielinor, I shall help him return so that he may protect mortals and prevent destruction and chaos. None of the other gods can or will the ability to protect mortals from themselves. Zaros may not be perfect but he is the best choice we have.

He is neutral so he will sometimes use less then benevolent means to protect the world, but if a dirty act in the now saves millions of lives in the future, well I can live with that.


You just described our good lord Saradomin in that post almost entirely and completely. This then begs the question: Why is Zaros allowed to make sacrifices for the greater good, but Saradomin isn't?

02-Mar-2014 00:51:56 - Last edited on 02-Mar-2014 00:52:57 by Falcoshin

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Well, one difference is that Saradomin is known for his temper and hotheadedness, whereas Zaros is a robot. So, one could argue that Zaros' judgment in such a situation would be more impartial...

Remember that scene from I, Robot where Will Smith is trapped in a car underwater with a woman and a kid, and one of the androids is there to help them, but instead of the kid or the woman, the android saves Will Smith because statistically he had the best odds of surviving?

Y'know, could be something like that. Saradomin is more aware of the human element, whereas Zaros is pure reason. One isn't inherently better than the other, of course.
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02-Mar-2014 02:53:12

Cthris
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Falcoshin said :
Cthris said :
Falcoshin said :
Pretty much the entire faction save you.


Most of don't think Zaros is perfect or even a good god, we see him as neutral.

Personally I see him as the best choice, the best tool for gielinor, I shall help him return so that he may protect mortals and prevent destruction and chaos. None of the other gods can or will the ability to protect mortals from themselves. Zaros may not be perfect but he is the best choice we have.

He is neutral so he will sometimes use less then benevolent means to protect the world, but if a dirty act in the now saves millions of lives in the future, well I can live with that.


You just described our good lord Saradomin in that post almost entirely and completely. This then begs the question: Why is Zaros allowed to make sacrifices for the greater good, but Saradomin isn't?


I have already said many times i don't mind Saradomin and I support his sixth ageness, I supported him in the bol and would do so again against Zamorak any day.

I have also posted before on a few threads that I view him as a Snape carracter, who's actions have been miss judged, and he is also making up for horrible mistakes in the past.

If i did not accept that Saradomin changed in some way i would be a hypocrit in wanting others to believe Zaros changed


The major difference between Zaros and Saradomin is that Saradomin has a fatal flaw of not controlling his anger/ emotions. Zaros is perfectly in control of his emotions, he would not love or pride get in his way of keeping the world safe, he is unbiased in all ways. Saradomin despite his good intentions can not help himself to not make these mistakes, as well as from what I have seen seeks to keep his flock safe, while Zaros seeks to keep the world safe.

If i had my way i would allow Saradomin to remain on gielinor even after Zaros becomes fate.

02-Mar-2014 20:01:07

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Zaros's lack of emotions may also mean he may lack empathy, compassion, or mercy. He may lack the ability to see others as anything other than creatures that need his protection or tools at his disposal. He may utilize the death penalty for any infraction against his rule. Plus nobody knows what Zaros actually intends to do when he returns. What does being fate mean? How can you be Fate and not control the destinies of others? Can you really trust a god you know next to nothing about?
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03-Mar-2014 01:42:33 - Last edited on 03-Mar-2014 01:45:08 by Vardan

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Zaros's lack of emotions may also mean he may lack empathy, compassion, or mercy.

Not may, almost certainly. Zaros chooses what is fair, if you break a law, you get whats coming to you. No one is granted special treatment, everyone gets the same punishment, a perfectly fair world.



He may lack the ability to see others as anything other than creatures that need his protection or tools at his disposal.

I don't see how this is a bad thing tbh

He may utilize the death penalty for any infraction against his rule.

Again i don't see how this is a bad thing, the rules are fair, you break them, you pay the price. As well as there being little to no chance of innocents getting hurt, with mind reading and truth serums, the bad guy will always be the one sent to jail.

Besides Jagex said he doesn't want to rule, or create a new empire, he wants to remain hidden, he's not going to act as grand jury to a bunch of mortals for eternity, he will let us make our own rules


Plus nobody knows what Zaros actually intends to do when he returns.

We know what Jagex has said:

Zaros wants the world to fall to mortals, but he acknowledges that they are not safe without some rules or control; otherwise, everything will fall to chaos. So, he suggests that he watches silently, making checks and balances to ensure a 'balance' is maintained. (Mod Osborn, quest and lore campfire)


Podcast (somewhere after the 1:00 but not that far in)
Mod Osborne: So people want kind of control, they want patterns, they want stability which he provides, but people also want to be free and creative, and Zaros provides both; he's kind of absent enough and empty enough that, you know, you can go off and do these creative things and think that nobody's watching when he really is, but he also provides that stability and strength.

Zaros wants mortals to rule themselves, with him acting only as a silent protector.


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03-Mar-2014 02:16:46

Cthris
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What does being fate mean? How can you be Fate and not control the destinies of others?

You can control the fate of the world, keeping it safe, protecting it from chaos, guiding mortals through hard times, not controlling the lives and destinies of each individual


Can you really trust a god you know next to nothing about?

Did I say i trust him 100%, I will watch him closely, if he pulls that conquring stuff again, well then its bye bye Zaros, but atm from what jagex has said he truly has turned over a new leaf and has learned a much better way to help mortals, just as Saradomin has turned over a new leaf and seeks to protect his followers.

03-Mar-2014 02:20:03

Athrenn

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Raleirosen said :
Well, one difference is that Saradomin is known for his temper and hotheadedness, whereas Zaros is a robot. So, one could argue that Zaros' judgment in such a situation would be more impartial...

Remember that scene from I, Robot where Will Smith is trapped in a car underwater with a woman and a kid, and one of the androids is there to help them, but instead of the kid or the woman, the android saves Will Smith because statistically he had the best odds of surviving?

Y'know, could be something like that. Saradomin is more aware of the human element, whereas Zaros is pure reason. One isn't inherently better than the other, of course.


That's a really good point. Imo that is why neither approach is good on its own, but if both were to be taken in balance and moderation it might produce something in between that incorporates the good parts of both.

For example, a lot of human adults would readily sacrifice their lives if it gave even a slim chance that their child would survive. Zaros on the other hand treats adult humans like we treat disobedient children: incapable of making good decisions because they're "clouded by emotion", but there really is nothing wrong with having emotions since this is inescapably part of being human.

If Zaros were wise he would seek to learn from us what it means to be human before dictating how humans should live their lives. He's an alien to our customs after all, so why should he think that he knows us better than we collectively are capable of knowing ourselves?

If he shows himself willing to learn, I'll guide him. If he doesn't, well...he better enjoy having the body of a cabbage ;)

03-Mar-2014 03:13:37 - Last edited on 03-Mar-2014 03:14:35 by Athrenn

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@ Mod Jack

While you're here can you tell me if Zamorak and Saradomin will be mentioned on the memories or other content this month?


Both are definitely mentioned in content this month.


What do you guys make of this?

How do you expect both gods to be portrayed?

(And especially on which of the 3 main updates this month!)

04-Mar-2014 19:32:05 - Last edited on 04-Mar-2014 19:33:34 by Neo Bestia

Raleirosen

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Neo Bestia said :
What do you guys make of this?

How do you expect both gods to be portrayed?

(And especially on which of the 3 main updates this month!)

I'll go on record predicting that Saradomin will be portrayed as a complete monster, and Zamorak will frolic through fields of flowers in the sunshine while hugging kitties and puppies and other small cuddly animals and making rainbows and chocolate cascade from his fingers.
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04-Mar-2014 20:52:12 - Last edited on 04-Mar-2014 20:53:07 by Raleirosen

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