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Nov

2013

Inque

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Anyone else think it's possible that Zamorak's memory of his confrontation with Zaros was faked to paint Zaros in a negative light and influence the mahjarrat into being less supportive of Zaros? Kharshai said the memory "showed no signs of interference", but Zamorak is a god and Kharshai is only a regular mahjarrat. It should be trivial for a god to manipulate a memory and make said manipulation undetectable for weaker beings.

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10-Sep-2020 20:46:21

Edcy

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This side of coat really feels like a ghost village nowadays does it not?

But hey yes what's to tell if Kharsy just holds Zammys side for all their relation, or why not Zammy cloud it from him too surely, given all the empty powers he'd attain that moment of memory anyway~

11-Sep-2020 10:27:55

Hguoh

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Just because the memory hasn't been tampered with doesn't mean that it reflects events with 100% accuracy. People have a knack for subconsciously coloring their memories so that they and those they disagree with appear more favorably whilst those they disagree with appear less favorably. It's not so much lying as it is interpretation and consolidation of information deemed less important.

For example if you attend a speech and then are asked to retell everything that was said in as much detail as possible, you will likely summarize and paraphrase based on what you think the speaker meant. You might be subconsciously inclined to be more generous in your retelling if the speaker were a friend, or you might be more critical if the speaker happens to be the coworker you just know is constantly taking your pudding cups even though you put your name on them.

That's not to say that the portrayal of Zaros's beliefs is inaccurate or accurate to his actual beliefs (either is entirely reasonable), just that it is definitely what Zamorak thinks Zaros's beliefs are.

12-Sep-2020 02:50:13

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2013

Inque

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Very good point Hguoh. So either way, we should still take the memories with a grain of salt. Like, even if everything was 100% accurate to history, Zamorak could have forgotten or deliberately omitted some important details that could make the situation less one-sided.

I'm annoyed at how evil and nasty Zaros was portrayed; it seems like the quest turned a lot of people against him. But maybe he isn't. Maybe he is.

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12-Sep-2020 18:29:25 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2020 18:33:54 by Inque

Hguoh

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Inque said :
Very good point Hguoh. So either way, we should still take the memories with a grain of salt. Like, even if everything was 100% accurate to history, Zamorak could have forgotten or deliberately omitted some important details that could make the situation less one-sided.

Deliberate omission would likely count as tampering. It would be more along the lines of Zamorak forgetting something Zaros said that Zamorak deemed unimportant on the grounds that Zaros didn't mean it anyway. Alternatively, Zamorak could remember Zaros saying something the latter never actually said, remembering instead what he thought Zaros 'really' meant when he said something else.

Unintentional omission is entirely possible (forgetting details or entire events).

13-Sep-2020 03:50:57

Jul

2013

Derack

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ZAMORAK:What... Where am I?
ZAROS:You seem confused, Zamorak. Did you expect to dispatch a god so easily?
ZAMORAK:Zaros? What is this place?
ZAROS:I do not know where this power you are wielding has come from, but it means nothing here. You are in my world now.
ZAMORAK:What do you mean? Where have you taken me?
ZAROS:We are in your mind, Zamorak. You cannot touch me in this place, because we are not physically here.
ZAMORAK:Hmm, I expected more of you than cheap tricks, Zaros.
ZAROS:And I expected more of you than deceit and mutiny. You are - were - my most trusted general.
ZAMORAK:And we entrusted you with the survival and prosperity of our race, but what have you brought us except weakness and decay? You promised you would free us from the need to sacrifice! Free us from extinction!
ZAROS:Semantics! I simply told you what you needed to hear. You are nothing but glorified mercenaries, fighting for whoever is top of the food chain.
ZAMORAK:This empire - your legacy - was built by us. YOU ARE NOTHING WITHOUT THE MAHJARRAT!
ZAROS:Nothing? I am your god. You are simply a child who has grown insolent enough to bite the hand that feeds. But you cannot bite now. Kneel before me.
Zamorak kneels.
ZAMORAK:Argh!
ZAROS:How does it feel to be utterly powerless?
ZAMORAK:My head... Please, stop!
ZAROS:All that remains is to decide how best to punish you. Perhaps death is too merciful...

After many years waiting for what really happend that event full day. I doubt Zimzam would lie about it, after all, he did asked Zaros "please" to stop hurting him.
Also i don't see how it shows or is supposed to make Zaros look bad, he is someone that would use tricks and bend words to get what he wants.

I find it funny if not ironic that a species like the Mahjarrat forgot about whatever Zaros did promised something to them or not. I guess a long life span isn't everything.

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15-Sep-2020 22:09:06

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2013

Inque

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Well Talonstalker, Zamorak uses trickery and subterfuge too, doesn't he? I'm just saying that Zamorak's testimony may not be the most credible or reliable, especially when it comes to the former boss he really doesn't like.

Memory is an iffy thing, even for immortals. And even gods.

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16-Sep-2020 00:04:58

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2013

Derack

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Touche.

Perhaps, but you would expect better of your elders. Certainly in times like this.

Still, perhaps Zammy didn't lied, maybe he missheard Zaros? Heard what he wanted to hear? Or he never heard it, and asumed Zaros said what he thought he heard? *shrug*

Eitherway, Zaros is a bad deal maker. Promised the Ilujanka a cure, but never happend by his hands, and it took a angry flying lizard to fix that broken deal.
Same deal for the Mahjarrat probably then, waiting a long time, until only a handfull are left to enjoy their fruits of labor...

"I'm annoyed at how evil and nasty Zaros was portrayed; it seems like the quest turned a lot of people against him. But maybe he isn't. Maybe he is."

Atleast your god didn't have the short end of the blade.
My lord and savior got his ass blasted, lost his fancy looking wings to make it more dramatic, all because of Jagex poor direction with the lore in general (imo).

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16-Sep-2020 21:34:51 - Last edited on 16-Sep-2020 21:39:47 by Derack

Nov

2013

Inque

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We'll probably never know for sure. Not that it even matters at this point, because everything's that's been done has been done. No one's opinion of either god is likely to change because of a little memory of an event that happened 6000 years ago, accurate or not.

And yea Zamorak's been having a bit of a humiliation conga (there's a TvTrope for everything!) that hasn't seemed to end. He's barely showed up lately so even positive things can't happen for him. Then again, most of the gods seem to be lying low post-Endgame.

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17-Sep-2020 01:22:36

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