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Currently, on RuneScape Wiki it suggests that Tumeken is a tier 5 god. And I'm not here to suggest differently but I'd like to hear from someone who is more familiar with the lore than I am. Consider the following:

Transcendent gods (tier 2), "are able to manipulate life to create mutations of that life. Able to escape from own body to become incorporeal. Able to manipulate the life-force (the Anima Mundi) of a world."

Now with that in mind lets examine some of Tumeken's history.

First, the fact that he is the sire of two gods and the creator of four others (in whom he instilled his essence). Is that not a characteristic of a tier 2 god? The manipulation of life? The only ones who have achieved such a feat were at least eye level with Zaros. And then in Sliske's Endgame Icthlarin reverted into a dog. Is this an indicator as to his tier of godhood or is it not 'technically' manipulation of life but the empowering of life. Also, the other four were given his essence so it may not apply.

Second, if Tumeken is truly alive and resides in that gem (what's it called again?) would he not need to take on an incorporeal form after the destruction of his body? Because he kinda self detonated. Another characteristic of a tier 2 god.

Does someone have an explanation for this? Thoughts?
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30-Apr-2017 23:29:38 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2017 23:31:53 by Gwyndolynn

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A common theory I'm hearing that explains some of it is that he's a Dream of Mah. It's kind of a crackpot theory but it DOES explain some stuff? Such as being able to create aspects and all (Tiny Zemouregal, and the Ritual of Enervation with Zemouregal Senior basically creating a new person with his energy), as well as the Kharid-ib diamond being "him" like how a Mahjarrat's gemstone is who they are. Along with being an explanation for the animal aspects of the Pantheon, since the Dreams are shapeshifters.

The thread's been front page here recently, so check it out I guess? Mods pls notice me

30-Apr-2017 23:51:04 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2017 23:53:40 by Marine Doge

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Marine Doge said :
A common theory I'm hearing that explains some of it is that he's a Dream of Mah. It's kind of a crackpot theory but it DOES explain some stuff? Such as being able to create aspects and all (Tiny Zemouregal, and the Ritual of Enervation with Zemouregal Senior basically creating a new person with his energy), as well as the Kharid-ib diamond being "him" like how a Mahjarrat's gemstone is who they are. Along with being an explanation for the animal aspects of the Pantheon, since the Dreams are shapeshifters.

The thread's been front page here recently, so check it out I guess?

Just read that thread. Huh, that's a crazy theory! I'm just gonna move over to that thread. Please let this one die.
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01-May-2017 00:31:26

Gwyndolynn

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Marine Doge said :
A common theory I'm hearing that explains some of it is that he's a Dream of Mah. It's kind of a crackpot theory but it DOES explain some stuff? Such as being able to create aspects and all (Tiny Zemouregal, and the Ritual of Enervation with Zemouregal Senior basically creating a new person with his energy), as well as the Kharid-ib diamond being "him" like how a Mahjarrat's gemstone is who they are. Along with being an explanation for the animal aspects of the Pantheon, since the Dreams are shapeshifters.

The thread's been front page here recently, so check it out I guess?

And it was in a 'dream' that Tumeken created the other four desert gods. Just as Ma did in a dream!
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01-May-2017 02:09:13

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Maybe he was t5... WHEN HE EXPLODED. How powerful was he before he created multiple lesser gods. That is my question

Could indeed be. He gave some powers up to make the 4 lesser gods.
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Ser Yoran said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Maybe he was t5... WHEN HE EXPLODED. How powerful was he before he created multiple lesser gods. That is my question

Could indeed be. He gave some powers up to make the 4 lesser gods.

Think I mentioned this in the power levels thread, but doesn't hurt to mention here -- going off the example of the Bandos Avatar, I don't think the act of simply making avatars would depower Tumeken.

Bandos went from Tier 3 to Tier 4 thanks to Zanik smashing that pendant -- in other words, only once his avatar was destroyed. It was still linked to him before that point, with that power still part of him -- just part that happened to be a hell of a long way away. Once it was destroyed, though -- that was when the power was gone.

So yeah. Extrapolating from that, I'm thinking it'd be a similar deal with Tumeken and his aspects. They sure haven't been destroyed yet, after all, leaving Tumeken still functionally at Tier 5 before and after the aspects' creation.

(Unless I'm wrong. Do prove me wrong if there's anything that proves me wrong!)
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01-May-2017 21:34:12

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He might be tier 3 or 4. A tier 2 god can 'make' life, but then again I think anything weaker could as well with enough power and the right skills and tools. Kerapac could infuse his lifeblood into eggs (something that many gods can't do), so I can't see any reason why Tumeken couldn't have been in possession of an Artefact that allowed him to infuse his power into Icthlarin and Amascut, then go ahead to create the other facets. It could be the Codex or Template, something he could carry on his person to do these things.

Codex - An ancient manuscript text in book form.

Template - A shaped piece of rigid material used as a pattern for processes such as cutting out, shaping or drilling.

By these definitions, the Codex is likely to be an Elder book of some sort. The Template seems to be something which is like a mould for working with anima in a specific way. Tumeken may have carried either one of those things assuming it's an Artefact we don't know about, and depending on their abilities (including whether the Template could change shape itself), it's possible that the Artefact had allowed him to focus his power more than he could on his own, allowing him to infuse his power into mortal beings such as the rest of the Pantheon.

And if Tumeken hadn't taken one with him, Elidinis may have found or had one herself. Jas told us about the Codex and Template, so the Template may have helped them make moulds of their power to infuse into Icthlarin and Amascut. Note that it was both Tumeken and Elidinis that created those two, so Tumeken couldn't have done that on his own, but he may or may not have done it with the avatars. They might have found the Artefact relatively close to the Heart. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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01-May-2017 21:38:21

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Tumeken enchanting the 4 minor gods from normal animals reminded me of Guthix enchanting Death and the Easter Bunny from normal mortals (which did not seem to weaken him btw).

If this was true, would Death and the Easter Bunny be considered tier 7 minor gods as well? The legendary creators have been long gone from this world. When they return, they'll be surprised and angered of their creations' new sapience. Meanwhile, the world's most elite, summoned to be its guardians, have abandoned their purpose and intend to plunge the world into chaos. -- Bionicle or RS?

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