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Siege Fred
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I think another one is long overdue, the barrows brothers have failed, Hallowvale is still under vampire control, I believe it is the duty of every Saradominists to take up arms and expel the evil that has plague our holy city for so long.

Do you guys think another major military expedition could prevail in the fourth age?

11-Sep-2020 17:59:29

Hguoh

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Considering that the 4th age ended back before we start piloting the future world guardian, I'd say that any and all other attempts at taking Morytania in the 4th age ended in failing to expel the vampires.

That said, the seven priestly warriors had notable success when they pushed the vampires back into Morytania in the 4th age and trapped them there until year 169 of the 5th age.

Now if you meant the 6th age, I have to ask, 'why?' Due to our actions, vampires no longer need to feed on humans as often (and human converts can be cured) and no longer have a unified effort or reason to expand (which a military campaign to take Morytania would give them). They also clearly aren't aligning with Zamorak during modern conflicts in significant numbers either.

The only thing Saradomin would stand to gain by trying to take Morytania is the satiation of the desire for revenge some Icyene still harbor from Drakan's conquest of Hallowvale. Good luck convincing your majority human forces to risk their lives in order to retake a not particularly useful or strategically important and quite hazardous swampland.

12-Sep-2020 02:30:07

Hguoh

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I'm sorry, but most Gielinorian Saradominists really don't see it that way. The Icyene care because it was where a bunch of their people lived and died, but even by the 4th age the concern had already shifted from reclamation to containment. By the 5th age, only a group of extremist Saradominists and Zamorakians actually wanted to break said containment in order break the Edicts of Guthix (they didn't really know what the Edicts actually were) in order to restart the God Wars.

All attacking the vampires would do is give them reason to side with Zamoramk again and bolster his forces. Heck given the Icyene queen Efaritay's participation in restructuring Morytania alongside Safalaan, Varrock's government, and Vanescula, you'd probably be hard pressed to even find Icyene willing to give up more important duties to pursue a campaign in Morytania.

Besides, the actual holy site (Entrana) Saradominists actually seem to care about is generally not in danger (barring the one time the monks were slaughtered).

12-Sep-2020 03:43:03 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2020 04:08:33 by Hguoh

Deltaslug

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Currently, Saradomin is sitting pretty as the "dominant" power on the planet.
Hallowvale fell back in the 3rd Age. That is a long time ago. The current seat of power is Asgarnia, Misthalin, and even Kandarin.
In a sense, the seat of power simply shifted west.

The other reality is that to wage such a war would be costly. And there are other priorities atm.
- The whole "Elder Gods waking up" for starters. Not much point in waging a crusade to retake a useless curse ridden swamp when there might not be a Gielinor tomorrow
- The whole Sliske's Games at creating a 2nd God Wars has likely left the Saradominst forces depleted just enough to not push such a thing.
They had the Battle of Lumbridge, the Bird and the Beast took place in Falador's own backyard, we don't know how many were lost at Tuska, Kinshra invaded Falador looking for the Sword of Raddalin.
- To Saradomin, Zamorak himself is back in play and sitting at his backdoor. given their history, Sara considers him a higher priority than the Vampyres
- To Saradomin, Zaros is an even bigger priority since he was willing to ally with Zamorak at times just to wipe out Zarosians. He even has a chat where dealing with Zaros makes him uneasy.

As Hguoh mentioned. The Vyres are effectively contained behind a renewed barrier that the player character helped to reinforce AND things are starting to improve there (though that is a stretch of the term).

Until Zaros, Zamorak, the Kinshra, and the Elder gods are dealt with, don't expect much to happen with Morytania.

13-Sep-2020 15:45:14

Derack
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To much of a cost for a update not many people would even care about.
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15-Sep-2020 21:38:58

Dilbert2001
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Something is already happening in Morytania in the 6th Age. The sunken Everlight has mysteriously risen. The Beacon begins to shine again, even the World Guardian can't extinguish it.

Someone, or something, is likely trying to take control of Morytania again. But is it Saradomin? I really doubt it.

17-Sep-2020 01:49:05

Padomenes

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We need a total all out war against them until it is retaken, it is time to continue the campaign because they can't cross the barrier.

This gives us the advantage to attack without any threat of retaliation if we try anything, just enough so that it succeeds or we keep throwing soldiers until they run out of any fighters to defend.

Get Falador, Varrock and Ardougne's armies to all team up with the weapons needed. Will be more than the vampyres can handle.

We should have the option so that if any vyre doesn't listen to us and be cured we can slay them on sight. A total cleansing.

Derack said :
To much of a cost for a update not many people would even care about. It could be a war quest or world event.

28-Sep-2020 11:36:02 - Last edited on 28-Sep-2020 11:41:07 by Padomenes

Padomenes

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Hguoh said :
I'm sorry, but most Gielinorian Saradominists really don't see it that way. The Icyene care because it was where a bunch of their people lived and died, but even by the 4th age the concern had already shifted from reclamation to containment. By the 5th age, only a group of extremist Saradominists and Zamorakians actually wanted to break said containment in order break the Edicts of Guthix (they didn't really know what the Edicts actually were) in order to restart the God Wars.

All attacking the vampires would do is give them reason to side with Zamoramk again and bolster his forces. Heck given the Icyene queen Efaritay's participation in restructuring Morytania alongside Safalaan, Varrock's government, and Vanescula, you'd probably be hard pressed to even find Icyene willing to give up more important duties to pursue a campaign in Morytania.

Besides, the actual holy site (Entrana) Saradominists actually seem to care about is generally not in danger (barring the one time the monks were slaughtered). We have a strategic advantage against the vampyres. They are surrounded by a barrier that encircles the entire Morytania continent. We can attack but they can't retaliate.

The vampyres are going to run out of guys if we keep sending in people to kill some of their defenders until they have nobody left, then we can overwhelm then and take Hallowvale.

Kill any vyres who don't agree to take the cure.

28-Sep-2020 11:45:41 - Last edited on 28-Sep-2020 11:47:48 by Padomenes

Giras
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Being less hungry after crossing the river (for the purebloods), wouldn't exactly stop them from being able to kill you. You can throw a thousand normal soldiers at a single pureblood and odds would still be in the pureblood's favor. Not to mention throwing any number of soldiers at morytania would just be giving them more soldiers (that become stronger than their former selves) to defend their land with. Converted vyres don't have to be crossing the river to successfully defend Morytania from invaders.
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29-Sep-2020 18:29:36

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