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Half Centaur
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Uncle Harper said :

- After faking his death, Charos can be anyone he wants and go anywhere he wants. Why not go home and start reclaiming what you lost.

Because he could still be caught by Lord Drakan if he went back, and anyone recognizing his scent found him.

Way too risky should something go wrong with his illusions. "We call it being a hero"
"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

08-May-2018 20:06:05

AesirWarrior
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Hey remember how in the gnome series we found out Aprosandra is currently ruled by this guy called Glouck who, for some reason, looks exactly like Glouphrie, and has forbidden mentions of the latter's name?

HMMMMMMMM -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

08-May-2018 20:10:09

Zulkir

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AesirWarrior said :
Hey remember how in the gnome series we found out Aprosandra is currently ruled by this guy called Glouck who, for some reason, looks exactly like Glouphrie, and has forbidden mentions of the latter's name?

HMMMMMMMM

Not convinced.

Sure the Amulet is of Gnomish magic, but Glouck has a hatred of humanity and is actively working towards subduing it, while it's impressive commitment to the role I don't see it as a role you'd choose as a new life after escaping the Vampyre lord himself.
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08-May-2018 20:20:40

Byzantinist

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I get the part about stealing someone's identity through magics, though one thing struck me: the thought of Charos really going as far as studying Dionysius's past by heart, being able to recall every adventure thing he lived through, as the ones we saw he mentioned through anecdotal cutscenes and dialogue coming directly from himself in Swan Song and Love Story.

It would be a major lore twist, so it's worth pondering upon. As Dionysius's documented history dates back to long before he got grey hair, it would seem Charos found his perfect cover as Drakan's mercenaries would never be able to trace nor suspect him in a character as complex and deeply ooted as the old man.

One alternative theory is Longramble being Charos in disguise. We know he's very closed towards others, never being around other gnomes much, if at all. He doesn't even give a flying thingummywut about a dying spirit tree, lacking the guts to go back to even contact some of his friends as it's suffering, even though it's the most precious thing to gnomish civilization.

In general Longramble's just very mysterious, cautious in going about, stating he's been traveling for years trying to get to the edge of the world, insisting he isn't lonely when we kindly ask him, preferring the company of no one but himself- remember how Charos thought of friends being a waste of precious time.

Just a suggestion, it's intriguing enough from my perspective; as if this strange and suspicious gnome has been running from something, rather than trying to get somewhere. Sometimes one must operate within the
shadows
to serve the
light
. For a man makes no noise over a good deed, but passes on to another as a vine to bear fruits again in season, in order that the world may ever be new.

08-May-2018 21:57:36 - Last edited on 08-May-2018 22:08:32 by Byzantinist

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I hope we get a sequel soon. Can you imagine if we get our hands on the item Charos uses to change appearence?! Something like that could come in handy in a future Sixth Age/Mahjarrat/Dragonkin quest.

But does he need to be stopped? I mean, as far as I know, he's never really harmed anyone except Uri (who tried to steal from his tomb), Lord Drakan and his court of vyres. He appears to be nothing but an awsome wizard. Perhaps he could come to be an ally, then?
How cool would it be to have Sliske fighting at our side against Xau-Tak?! :O

08-May-2018 22:10:57 - Last edited on 08-May-2018 23:06:42 by Meglax

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Charos gives two criteria he desires for his new life:

1. It should allow him to continue his research into wishbringing.
2. He is eager to outlive death.

Movario fulfills 1, but neglects 2 (given his return to Morytania while Drakan yet lives and exploration of the Wilderness).

Glouck may fulfill 2, but presents no evidence of fulfilling 1.

Dionysius could potentially fulfill 1 (adventuring leading to the uncovering of more info on wishbringing), but seems to run counter to 2 (adventuring can have a pretty high casualty rate especially for somebody who doesn't initially seem to be well versed in combat-magics, and the swan song doesn't work for either).

It's also worth considering that Charos may have changed identities several times (given that he fled while Drakan was still partially active as ruler, and seems to have survived to modern day). In order to maintain and continue his research, we'd therefore expect him to have either taken up the identity of an immortal being or a successive line of mortals inheriting or otherwise maintaining control of his place and records of research. Or, at the very least, individuals who wormed their way into positions to acquire more research.

09-May-2018 01:50:25 - Last edited on 09-May-2018 01:58:38 by Hguoh

Wahisietel
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Yeah keep in mind the Charos stuff took place generations ago, probably in the Fourth Age, so whoever Charos is would have to be pretty old and/or not have an established backstory. We have stories of Dionysus in his childhood, so he is almost certainly not Charos.


i mean the quest also implies castle fenkenstrain didn't belong to charos and that uri buried charos which would be a huge lorefail but whatever

The easy solution is that Charos is the double agent, since he still exists post-quest and has a history of lying to us about what's going on. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

09-May-2018 01:59:06 - Last edited on 09-May-2018 02:13:41 by Wahisietel

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Wahisietel said :
Yeah keep in mind the Charos stuff took place generations ago, probably in the Fourth Age, so whoever Charos is would have to be pretty old and/or not have an established backstory. We have stories of Dionysus in his childhood, so he is almost certainly not Charos.


i mean the quest also implies castle fenkenstrain didn't belong to charos and that uri buried charos which would be a huge lorefail but whatever

According to Charos's Journal:

Castle Fenkenstrain belonged to Lady Relobrae to whom Charos gave his ring after she gave him shelter from Drakan (said castle would later be inherited by the Lordship of the North Coast and later still by Fenkenstrain, with the ring passing between the hands of the owners and the idea of Charos once having owned the castle following along with it).

Uri buried a construct of Charos's likeness at the behest of what appeared to be Charos's widow but who was really Charos. After this, Charos took on a new identity.

09-May-2018 02:16:00 - Last edited on 09-May-2018 02:20:05 by Hguoh

Kemtros
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While this game is not exactly a stranger to linking various quest lines, I do find it a bit random if Charos is essentially a link between the Vampyre/Myreque and Gnome quests. IIRC, River of Blood went the way it did to wrap up some of the more immediate Fifth Age plot threads, while potentially leaving the door open for a Sixth Age continuation, although there aren't any plans to do so.

While the wishbringer was based on the Stone of Jas, I got the impression that Charos himself didn't care for the Stone. It was more of a passive-aggressive jab at Drakan's own obsession with it. The theory that Charos may be Movario is one I find fascinating, but not particular one I myself would believe in. Charos seems to lack the particular interest in the Stone that Movario has, and his apparent pursuit of immortality could just mean he'd pursue other methods.

The reference to gnome magic really just seems like that, gnome magic. He's aware of it, but he's not suddenly going to be important to that storyline.

09-May-2018 02:25:12

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