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II GENESIS
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II GENESIS

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Hello,

I want to start off by thanking the people behind OSRS and Jagex as a whole, for their contribution to giving so many of us memories that will echo throughout time.

I've been a citizen of Gielinor on and off, since 2002. This game has at least in my experience
mostly been a safe haven and learning ground for many people worldwide. The player base consists mostly of people who are willing to help newcomers while trying to keep the game toxic and abuse-free. Lately, I have seen an increase in spammers, gamblers and, people generally being very toxic in and around hotspots. I understand that there always will be people who do not adhere to the policy and that most of them get dealt with accordingly.

I believe it would be beneficial for both experienced players, newcomers, and the community as a whole if there was a way that one could apply to become a player moderator. Since my return about 8 years ago, I have literally not seen one player moderator in-game, which is shocking, to say the least. I know for a fact that many of OSRS's players (obviously those who'd be eligible) would love to be able to give back to the game that we all love.

If I am not mistaken, I've overheard somebody saying that Jagex reaches out to people who they want to recruit, question then is what criteria are you supposed to exceed? Is there not a chance that by doing this you potentially miss honorable, experienced, and dedicated members? I believe it would be easier to have some sort of system where players could apply, showcase their qualities, go through a screening, maybe even an interview, etc.

I'm writing this because I'd love to have a chance to apply for a position like this, as I'd like to give back to the game. I've never had any punishments throughout my time here, I speak several languages fluently, I know the game in and out, study to become a .net developer, and I am willing to help moderate the community.

Let us apply, please.

Thank you for reading.
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14-Jan-2023 19:09:46

Wuzx
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I remember they did this quite awhile ago for Runescape. If I remember correctly, they came to the conclusion that they didn't get the results they wanted or the right people applying or something like that.

16-Jan-2023 02:06:32

Tuffty
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2003

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We had a thread like you are suggesting and it never worked out too well.

I can't go into too many details but it was very hard work for Jagex to deal with as people posted with many alts hoping to get picked on 1 or more accounts etc.

This is a really bad idea for the Community.

As for how Jagex hand pick people to become P-Mods is Classified. Best option is to play the game and enjoy it. The odd report here and there is ok too as long as it's a correct report.

I honestly can't see a recruitment thread coming back as it was too much work for Jagex. Thats just my opinion and not a quote from Jagex.

You also said this:-
I have literally not seen one player moderator in-game, which is shocking, to say the least.


That means the P-Mods are in hiding and working to protect the Community.

If Jagex hand pick someone to be a P-Mod they will be invited via the Secure InBox system and not over PM. This used to be a very old scam of times gone by.

Further info here
Comprehensive Account Security
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16-Jan-2023 14:43:19

Applejuiceaj
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We're 12 years past when Jagex had their 'Are You Community Focused' thread and the way the team operates has changed significantly - much more to a community based role than in the past (see Player Moderators ). On the above referenced thread you'll find information of what they're currently looking for in potential new PMods as well.

Many who have posted on these forums in the past few years expressing interest in becoming a player moderator think it means they can enforce RuneScape's rules, but that isn't the purpose of the team at all. With this in mind, I'm not convinced that re-opening a means to apply for becoming a Player Moderator is going to produce any different results than the first time. Not intending for this to sound gatekeepy in any way, but it likely will turn up a lot of people who aren't what Jagex is looking for, or are applying for the wrong reasons just as what happened the first time.

No matter what the criteria are for recruitment (whether they accept applications or not, what they look for vs what they don't) there is still the chance that good people out there will get missed - its unfortunate but its always been a bit of luck-of-the-draw, being in the right place at the right time. There really isn't a way to change that, but Jagex is going to make sure that those they do select are suitable for the role, and have been taking steps to pick up on potential bad eggs before they are extended an invite.

Recruitment still happens and there are many Player Moderators that I know of that play Old School every day - in fact, its possible you've passed by a few but wouldn't know it unless they said something. And not only that, even as a non-moderator we can all help Jagex to pick up on the problem spots by being sure to report what we see.

Who knows, maybe one day an invite will end up in your inbox. Anything's possible. :)

16-Jan-2023 18:32:22

II GENESIS
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II GENESIS

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Thank you very much for clarifying a few things for me.

I was not really thinking about a forum thread perse, but more of an in-build account settings application form, where you would be eligible to apply after a certain amount of years playing, maybe some sort of a hidden " account score" and a clean sheet as some requirements. In this application form, you could perhaps be able to give your thoughts on what you think would make a good P-MOD. Give your opinion on what could be improved community-wise, give some information about yourself and about your good/bad sides, etc. By doing this you would not disclose internal matters, but rather have the opportunity to see if players naturally align with those principles. You would also not have the problem that was brought up about the alternative accounts spamming threads and whatnot. I do understand the concerns brought up above, and I do see why Jagex perhaps does it in the way that they do.

About the secrecy factor when it comes to their roles, it also serves a purpose, but I think you could be a bit more transparent so that people know what to expect from their player moderators. As I stated in my topic, I understand that the primary role is to be a role model and help their communities, helping people learn the ropes, spreading positivity, (perhaps testing new concepts, bug detection), and also making sure that people behave the way that they are supposed to. The latter I believe is only a fragment of their duties, but kinda hard to pin-point as it is being hidden more than a cheating spouse's cellphone ;)

Anyhow, I appreciate the lengthy and qualitative responses, and I wish you two the best.

We the community appreciate your efforts on our behalf.
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17-Jan-2023 09:48:52 - Last edited on 17-Jan-2023 09:58:20 by II GENESIS

Angel2D4

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I did read the entire post. However.. only one line really stands out (to me).

II GENESIS said :
... I know for a fact that many of OSRS's players (obviously those who'd be eligible) would love to be able to give back to the game that we all love.
...


This "would love to be able to give back" is.. at best, mind-boggling.

In what way do you genuinely believe, you could "give back" just because you had a pmod crown.. that you couldn't already do if you were interested in 'giving back' in the way you suggest?

It's not sarcasm. It's not antagonistic. It is a genuine question I think anyone wanting to be a pmod should ask themselves (and be prepared to answer when asked).

You could be kind to others? Oh, but if you need a crown in order to do that, you don't need a crown in the first place.

You could help other players with how things work? Again, if you need a crown to do that.. you don't need to have a crown.

You could report rulebreakers? Again.. crown not needed and you shouldn't have one.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

All of the things I've seen people say as to why they want to be a pmod.. are ALL things that every player has the power to do.

So why, if you want to 'give back', can you NOT do so without that ugly little icon?
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18-Jan-2023 04:17:49

II GENESIS
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II GENESIS

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First of all, your whole post does seem sarcastic and antagonistic, together with some passive aggressiveness, but maybe I am reading it all wrong.

To your questions, where did I ever say that one must have a crown to be able to do these things? I was saying that people who do these things regularly should be able to take another step upwards.

Nobody said that you should not be kind and helpful, nor report people who break clear rules in front of you. You're straw-manning and missing the entire topic.

If you stop focusing on the "ugly crown" as you've categorized it as such and think about what it actually represents ( the company, game, experienced players, etc).

What impact it has on people who are new to the game when they encounter a bunch of gamblers, scammers, and spammers, in every world that they log in to? Would it not be good if experienced and trustworthy players who have proven themselves and are active regularly, could do something immediately about these issues?

Would it not be beneficial for players to sometimes see player moderators around who are helping them, giving them a sense that moderators are actually around, instead of working behind the scenes?

Would it not be beneficial to clear some air about the recruitment process, so that people who push the narrative " you have to be friends with J-MODS or popular streamer to become a P-MOD" be without argument and stop polluting the relationship between the developers and the community? (We've had enough of problems in the past)

And would it not be fair to be able to apply for a position as is praxis in almost every company of the world? Instead of having to be tapped on the shoulder like a secret society recruiting members?

Surely there could be some sort of different way of organizing this, besides a forum thread where alt accounts spam? Hopefully, they at least consider it, that was my hope from the beginning.

Take care!
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18-Jan-2023 10:18:31

Angel2D4

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II GENESIS said :
First of all, your whole post does seem sarcastic and antagonistic, together with some passive aggressiveness, but maybe I am reading it all wrong.

To your questions, where did I ever say that one must have a crown to be able to do these things? I was saying that people who do these things regularly should be able to take another step upwards.
...


Yes, you ARE reading it "all wrong".

Genuine, straightforward, questions.. that you didn't answer.

"should be able to take another step upwards"? LMAO

What "upwards"? Pmods are players.. people.. just like every other player in the game.

The fact that you view them as something more.. or better.. is almost funny.. except that for as many people who view them the way you do.. there are those who view them in an entirely different light.

You think pmods can't be scammers and cheats? My first encounter with a pmod, more than 15 years ago, would prove you wrong. They are just people that play a game (this game).

As for "applying" to be a pmod.. no, I don't think anyone should be able to "apply". When jagex notices behaviours that make them believe they should invite someone to be a mod.. they do so (and that's as it should be).

Even jagex doesn't get it right all the time.. after all, they're trying to determine based on the behaviour and words of ordinary people.. and people lie.. especially when it's as simple as "applying".

Nope. No support to your suggestion that jagex allow people to "apply" for mod status.. especially people who can't simply agree to disagree with someone's opinion that isn't their own.. and instead say things like: "First of all, your whole post does seem sarcastic and antagonistic, together with some passive aggressiveness, but maybe I am reading it all wrong." Because, honestly, that's OFFENSIVE.. and I view it as baiting.

So, we'll now have to agree to disagree.

No support.
"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

18-Jan-2023 18:41:24

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