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Keeefy
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Keeefy

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Before I start, this post is motivated by me unironically ruining my zerker account the same week we all learn negative xp lamps at bounty hunter did not pass the poll.

I had recently gained some xp lamps from quests/diaries and watched my runecrafting level skyrocket... I still needed some more xp for 55 runecrafting. Itching to kill a basilisk since the new combat achievement update you know? What I had failed to realize is that these lamps had now pushed my rc'ing past lvl 45. Early one morning I log on and see my favorite way to train rc (tears of guthix) had become available. I feverishly collect my tears hoping for the most xp possible, hover over rc (skill tab) in anticipation of the xp drop, and am left bewildered as to why it did not budge. My eyes wander to the chatbox to realize I now have 47 defense. I clearly made a pretty tragic mistake which was 100% my fault. Having had this account at 45 defense for years and taking on several high level pvm challenges with these restrictions has me not wanting to make it a new build as many would suggest.

I'm hoping to open up a discussion on the concerns regarding a release of negative xp lamps, thoughts on xp/level caps, and Jagex's approach to these issues in the past.

Do moderator's have the ability to selectively change an account's xp total? Is this something they have ever done? I imagine there have been very unique scenarios in which they have done this, but I am purely speculating now. Would love more input.

I've seen the idea of capping defense or other certain stats tossed around, but I am unaware of where it stands now. It is interesting to think about tears of guthix still being available to restricted accounts nonetheless being able to use long range attacks without fear of xp gain. Maybe even a warning system before you enter ToG alerting you what skill the upcoming batch of tears will go to.

12-May-2023 00:19:46

Keeefy
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Keeefy

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If anything can be done about my situation please let me know. I would love to get back to inferno before bounty hunter but actually accomplish it on my 45 def/54 prayer build.

I am not trying to circumvent any restrictions or use a potential roll back to my gain. There is nothing new that 47 defense has given me -- it is impossible for me to be wearing higher tier gear that would still be equipped following a roll back. If a negative xp lamp were to ever pass, force the player to unequip everything in order for the lamp to be consumed. This will prevent any gear manipulation or combat level cheese.

It is not as if I gained two defense levels doing pvm because I was forced to do long range to accomplish an achievement. I use t bow anywho -- not THAT good at this game. My incident was purely accidental; a rollback has no potential for me to manipulate it and seperate myself from the "maxed zerker pack". It is hard for me to believe nothing can be done about it and I really do not want to commit to a fresh account. Far too many untradables and kc's for me to leave behind.

Thank you to anyone who actually reads this far. I have not touched the zerker since I goofed and have only been playing on my main, trying not to lose hope for my trophy account.

Take care and goodluck on all your grinds!

12-May-2023 00:38:08

Keeefy
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Keeefy

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What exactly makes it so contentious in your opinion? And why is it seemingly doomed to fail all polls? Does this blowback from pures revolve around them having not "messed up" their build so they should retain supremacy or the brag factor of having a restricted account that hasn't experienced negative leveling? Some might argue these kind of changes would bring more accounts/activity to the pvp world knowing a certain build can be re-achieved.

13-May-2023 00:24:50

Keeefy
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I suppose Jagex hasn't officially recognized account builds, but they have been a staple of pvp since its creation. The Wiki even has a page for the most common pk builds you'll see :P

Are you saying it cannot be done because of how OSRS is structured? I know RS3 runs on a different engine, but they have a rollback system set in place for hp, defense, and prayer simply by talking to an npc (granted you meet criteria). Can this same logic not be applied to OSRS?

It seems RS3 re-tiered gear which ruined certain builds but Jagex then allowed them to make a stat adjustment--- an example of Jagex recognizing builds btw. I have no grasp on whats become of RS3 since EoC and I bet I'm out of line making this comparison to OSRS, but at times the release of inquisitor and masori had me wishing I was a 30 defense pure instead of 45.

13-May-2023 00:40:01

mastercast3r
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Keeefy said :
What exactly makes it so contentious in your opinion? And why is it seemingly doomed to fail all polls? Does this blowback from pures revolve around them having not "messed up" their build so they should retain supremacy or the brag factor of having a restricted account that hasn't experienced negative leveling? Some might argue these kind of changes would bring more accounts/activity to the pvp world knowing a certain build can be re-achieved. Why? Because pures do not want it to be EASY to be pure. Some pures want the advantages of being pure, but also want all the advantages of doing all the skills.

As an example, a 1 defense pure with the same combat will hit harder and more often than someone with a balanced defense level. This makes them great pkers. BUT it prevents them from accessing many of the best combat training areas. One of the things that many pures in the past have said is that they want to be able to use defense to wear better armor while fighting npcs then roll back the defense to 1 so they can have better (i.e. easier) kills. MANY quest were created with this balance in mind. Doing them either gave you exps in defense, or it required defense levels, so that people that did defense would have rewards for doing so. Then pures complain they can not have the same rewards without doing defense.

14-May-2023 04:49:46 - Last edited on 14-May-2023 04:55:02 by mastercast3r

mastercast3r
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Keeefy said :
I suppose Jagex hasn't officially recognized account builds, but they have been a staple of pvp since its creation. Actually no, it wasn't. When I first found the game, you could pk in lumbridge, but there was no advantages of being pure then, so no one did so.

One of the differences between osrs and rs3 is we vote for the updates, while rs3 shoves them down your throat wither you want them or not. The ability to role back your exps is something only a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of the players want and many were upset about it.

There have been many attempts to put this in one way or another and they all got voted down. They created a rule in the early days that no update would be polled more than 3 time. This has gotten 3 time in multiple forms.

14-May-2023 04:56:14

PuffDiddy
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mastercast3r said :
No, they do not have the ability to roll back accounts, nor would it pass a poll to allow them to do so. Much of the blowback for the idea comes from pures themselves.

^False


Keeefy said :

Do moderator's have the ability to selectively change an account's xp total? Is this something they have ever done? I imagine there have been very unique scenarios in which they have done this, but I am purely speculating now. Would love more input.


Yes, they can and they have.



Source:
https://twitter.com/OldSchoolRS/status/1098616957878841344


333333333 said :
Nah, it's your own fault! Being a pure or other builds put yourself in limits!
If neg lamps exist, a hacker can abuse and destroy your entire account!

Unfortunately, this is a common counterpoint- it boils down to the fear of the feature being 'abusable' but there are many others who vote no with zero rationality.

In this case 'a hacker removing XP on an account' is really not a big deal, simply resecure the account and retrain the XP.. problem solved. Especially if XP removal is capped at 500 (as it was pitched with this most recent poll). 500 XP can be retrained quite literally in seconds.

A hacker would not be able to "ruin" any account by removing 500 XP.
However, a hacker could absolutely ruin hundreds of hours of work by gaining 500 XP.
This imaginary hacker scenario does not give the stance of opposing XP removal any validity..
In actuality it further highlights why the feature should already be in the game.

16-May-2023 01:27:04 - Last edited on 16-May-2023 01:28:46 by PuffDiddy

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